Griffin shows his smarts

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Yet another way to look at it...
Luck is basically Cam Newton except he's smaller, slower, lacks the arm strength, doesn't have as clean of a throwing motion/release, oh and didn't win the big game to keep his team undefeated and didn't lead his team to a national championship.

Luck is a very good athlete in his own right, but Cam is a specimen like I've never seen.
The kid threw a jump pass for 40+ yards in the air on the money, he's thrown off his back foot for 50 yard bombs.
Cam's arm talent is on a whole other level then Luck.

Their measurables are pretty close, I'd give the edge to Cam for his arm strength, and the edge to Luck for his decision making and overall grasp of a pro-style offense.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Their measurables are pretty close, I'd give the edge to Cam for his arm strength, and the edge to Luck for his decision making and overall grasp of a pro-style offense.

Most of the elite QB prospects measureables are pretty close though.
Assessing the differences of the top QB prospects basically amounts to splitting hairs.
But for me its Cam size coupled with his athleticism that makes him rare and set him apart: elite arm strength, elite athleticism, elite size.
I agree that Luck is by far more 'pro-ready' but being 'pro-ready' is a coachable trait and the advantage of pro-readiness may not last past training camp.

I don't even know what this discussion is about anymore.
*shrugs*

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Most of the elite QB prospects measureables are pretty close though.
Assessing the differences of the top QB prospects basically amounts to splitting hairs.
But for me its Cam size coupled with his athleticism that makes him rare and set him apart: elite arm strength, elite athleticism, elite size.
I agree that Luck is by far more 'pro-ready' but being 'pro-ready' is a coachable trait and the advantage of pro-readiness may not last past training camp.

I don't even know what this discussion is about anymore.
*shrugs*

Agree with what you said on Cam, he's definitely a freak, but a year ago at this time not so many were convinced Cam was going to translate well to the pro game, at least as well as he did.

Funny that we've gotten to the point where we're trying to talk up Luck of all guys. Even if he's a notch below Cam, he's going to be a heck of a player.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Agree with what you said on Cam, he's definitely a freak, but a year ago at this time not so many were convinced Cam was going to translate well to the pro game, at least as well as he did.

Funny that we've gotten to the point where we're trying to talk up Luck of all guys. Even if he's a notch below Cam, he's going to be a heck of a player.

Like with any evalution some peole were right some were wrong.
I recall Gil Brandt, Mayock and Howie Long off the top of my head were advocates of Newton.

One of my favorite Luck traits are his pocket presence which allows him to seamlessly transitions from a broken play into a playmaker and his consistency in the midst of constant media whirlwind.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Agree with what you said on Cam, he's definitely a freak, but a year ago at this time not so many were convinced Cam was going to translate well to the pro game, at least as well as he did.

Funny that we've gotten to the point where we're trying to talk up Luck of all guys. Even if he's a notch below Cam, he's going to be a heck of a player.

I don't know when it got to the point where people interpreted the increased coverage and attention on RG3 as him being a better prospect as Luck. Kiper and McShay have even said of all the scouts they've talked to in NFL front offices only one has leaned towards saying they would take Griffin over Luck. I imagine that includes scouts from our front office. I also would guess that if Griffin was viewed in the same light as Luck St. Louis would have traded us Bradford instead of the second overall pick.

I will say this though, it's unprecedented to have two QB prospects that are this good in the same draft. Just absolutely insane.

[BabyLuku]

I have to admit I haven't watched much of either Griffin or Luck throughout their college careers, but I do think people often undervalue Griffin mentally, as far as the whole 'pro ready' thing.
I would also argue that Griffin seems a lot more confident than luck, more ready to be the face of a franchise.