Bountygate Punishment for the Saints

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If he 100% trusts his source, and it sounds like he does, then why not? To me the rat looks way worse here than Sapp.

Wow. Just wow. You'd fit right in with Baltimore's mean streets.Stop Snitchin' - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For those who have a problem with this, who would side with rulebreakers, liars and decievers, who, by doing so, would encourage deceit in others and endorse activity that, at the very least, blurs the lines between good hard play and causing intentional harm, I just don't know what to say. Integrity, sportsmanship, honesty ... are these concepts you endorse? Or are they just empty words symbolizing archaic concepts easily discarded when they become obstacles to acheiving a goal?

If you believe in these concepts or believe they are concepts for which we as a society ought to strive - defend the Payton's, Williams' and Loomis actions in this matter in a way that demonstrates how those actions exhibited, promoted or in any way protected these concepts. [HINT: "B/c everybody does so it" is not such a demonstration].

Despicable conduct warranting harsh sanction.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If he 100% trusts his source, and it sounds like he does, then why not? To me the rat looks way worse here than Sapp.

DAS RITE DAS RITE. snitches get stitches dawg. Fo'realz.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If he 100% trusts his source, and it sounds like he does, then why not? To me the rat looks way worse here than Sapp.

He should have confirmed it with more than just once source.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Given the gravity of the situation, the "rat" deserves a medal

[rypper11]

I think the lies and denials made it the level it is.

[SmootSmack]

This conversation is getting absurd, **taps out**

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This conversation is getting absurd, **taps out**

Although fitting, "absurd" is not the word I would use. I am having a hard time not being completely disgusted by some of the arguments being made in opposition to this.

Shock, a sort of resigned "Wow, I knew it would be bad but this is surprising", sure - I get that. However, the vehemence with which rule breaking liars are being defended is both mind boggling and disheartening.

[JoeRedskin]

As part of the suspension, is Payton forbidden from having contact with Saints employees?

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

As part of the suspension, is Payton forbidden from having contact with Saints employees?

I'm pretty sure as on April 1st he can't have any direct contact with the Saints, employees, or players...

[REDSKINS4ever]

The nfL commissioner judgment was right. Everybody involved in whatever form or fashion should have received harsh discipline. Sean Payton, being the head coach, should have put a stop it when he found out about it so him being the head coach and not to do anything about it and then lie about it why his punishment was so harsh. He was worthy of what he got.

Gregg Williams was fortunate that he wasn't banned for life from the NFL. I thought that would be his punishment. Luckily for him that didn't happen.

As for as the Saints GM and the other front office person, the commissioner of the NFL could have went a little bit lighter. I feel the coaches are more involved than the front office people.

The draft picks taken away should have been second round this year and a first rounder next year. And the $500,000 fine should have been more.

[Hog1]

Well........there will no longer be any suggestion that players are treated more harshly than coaches and mgmt in the eyes of the Commissioner..........

[Monkeydad]

I heard an interesting point on Yahoo Sports Radio this morning. Think it was Chris Russell.

The league said they've been investigating this for 3 years. Gregg Williams was hired by the Rams in January, just two months before his punishment that the league knew about. All coaching hires much be approved by the NFL/Commissioner. They approved his hire by the Rams. Then, they suspended him, leaving the team without a coach.

Sounds EXACTLY like the crap they pulled with our salary cap punishment. They approved the signings, then handed out punishments for the moves they just approved!

It's almost like Goodell is intentionally setting teams up for punishments and it's affecting the teams' offeason plans and ultimately the product they're able to put on the field.

He's out of control. This needs to be stopped. Goodell is acting like a dictator. I don't throw that word around lightly either, but he seems to care more about his power than the product for the fans or even financially.

The Saints DID do wrong and need to be dealt with. I'm not defending him or denying a punishment was appropriate (even though it seems too harsh), but that point about them approving Gregg Williams' hire by the Rams about 9 weeks ago really got me thinking about the league's actual interests/intentions for the teams. Sabotage is starting to look like a possibility. Is this a punishment/power trip for the lockout and negotiations with ownership? The league did not get their 18 game schedule so now Goodell is throwing the hammer down on the teams as much as he can? It's in the best interest of the league to be able to field the best teams they possibly can and now Dallas, Washington and New Orleans have been severely hampered in doing so, 3 of the more popular and profitable teams in the league. Is it a ploy to help the smaller markets be more competitive? I don't know but I'm very suspicious. The timing of the punishments and the fact that all of these issues are popping up just a season away from the labor talks makes me wonder.

Also, the Saints will be in the HOF Game...so instead of talking about the HOF inductees, we'll have to listen to talk about bounties and watch their replacement coaches in action. The league should move the Saints out of that game in August (plenty of time) for the sanctity of the weekend which will probably be ruined now.

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

I heard an interesting point on Yahoo Sports Radio this morning. Think it was Chris Russell.

The league said they've been investigating this for 3 years. Gregg Williams was hired by the Rams in January, just two months before his punishment that the league knew about. All coaching hires much be approved by the NFL/Commissioner. They approved his hire by the Rams. Then, they suspended him, leaving the team without a coach.

Sounds EXACTLY like the crap they pulled with our salary cap punishment. They approved the signings, then handed out punishments for the moves they just approved!

It's almost like Goodell is intentionally setting teams up for punishments and it's affecting the teams' offeason plans and ultimately the product they're able to put on the field.

He's out of control. This needs to be stopped. Goodell is acting like a dictator. I don't throw that word around lightly either, but he seems to care more about his power than the product for the fans or even financially.

The Saints DID do wrong and need to be dealt with. I'm not defending him or denying a punishment was appropriate (even though it seems too harsh), but that point about them approving Gregg Williams' hire by the Rams about 9 weeks ago really got me thinking about the league's actual interests/intentions for the teams. Sabotage is starting to look like a possibility. Is this a punishment/power trip for the lockout and negotiations with ownership?

Also, the Saints will be in the HOF Game...so instead of talking about the HOF inductees, we'll have to listen to talk about bounties and watch their replacement coaches in action. The league should move the Saints out of that game in August (plenty of time) for the sanctity of the weekend which will probably be ruined now.

That is completely disturbing and a major reason as to why I think we will recoup our money from cap-gate

[SBXVII]

Can someone add a "I don't give a crap" option to the poll?

No one felt sorry for us that the league stole 18mill from ouir coffers so I don't see why we should care about the Saints/Rams Bountygate punishments. Besides the question is an either or, you either agree its sufficiant or you don't or you think the punishment should be worse. I agree with some of it and don't agree with other parts of it.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Can someone add a "I don't give a crap" option to the poll?

No one felt sorry for us that the league stole 18mill from ouir coffers so I don't see why we should care about the Saints/Rams Bountygate punishments. Besides the question is an either or, (1)you either agree its sufficiant or (2) you don't or (3) you think the punishment should be worse. I agree with some of it and don't agree with other parts of it.

So your either/or is (1)the penalty is just right; or (2) too harsh; or (3) too light? SmootSmack - can you fix the poll so it accurately reflects SBXVII summary, I think he has hit the nail on the head!

Actually, I do like the addition of a "Don't Care" category.