The Pro Days Thread

[mbedner3420]

For those that have seen both, what is your sense? Is there a clear and immediate winner? Given yesterdays performance, do you think the colts will select RG3 over Luck?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

For those that have seen both, what is your sense? Is there a clear and immediate winner? Given yesterdays performance, do you think the colts will select RG3 over Luck?

Luck #1
RG3 #2

Pro days aren't a big factor at all in the overall decision making of teams. It's like a cherry on top, a very small one at that. I think both teams made up their minds long ago.

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Luck #1
RG3 #2

Pro days aren't a big factor at all in the overall decision making of teams. It's like a cherry on top, a very small one at that. I think both teams made up their minds long ago.

I agree, but the hype-meter has gone through the roof since Griffin's pro day yesterday. I always wonder if something like that may sway a GM on the fence.

[Duffman003]

The only reason Cam Newton was so good last year was because he is good looking.

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by Duffman003

The only reason Cam Newton was so good last year was because he is good looking.

Amen!

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Duffman003

The only reason Cam Newton was so good last year was because he is good looking.

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[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by 30gut

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Hahaha perhaps it is time to steer the conversation back to pro day talk and specifically who we think can help out the redskins more.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Duffman003

The only reason Cam Newton was so good last year was because he is good looking.

Duffman says a lot of things! OOOOOOH YEAH.

--Duffman

Source: The Wisdom of Duff Man

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

I agree, but the hype-meter has gone through the roof since Griffin's pro day yesterday. I always wonder if something like that may sway a GM on the fence.

I think hype-meters are mostly for the fans.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

For those that have seen both, what is your sense? Is there a clear and immediate winner? Given yesterdays performance, do you think the colts will select RG3 over Luck?

Luck throws on the move a lot better than Griffin does. Something struck me as negative about the way Griffin was selling his play fakes from under center. I'm probably overanalyzing something that was very foreign to him, but Griffin likes to set his feet before releasing the ball, and that's going to be interesting in the zone/stretch/boot game. I think Luck profiles better as the play action quarterback.

Griffin sells play action really well from the gun though, so if the Redskins want to incoporate shotgun running into their offense this year, Griffin gives them an excellent centerpiece to build that around.

From the pocket, it was tough to make a comparison. Griffin can absolutely drive the ball downfield. Luck threw it really, really well downfield in the conditions, but it wasn't as impressive as Griffin, maybe just because Griffin was throwing indoors.

The ball jumps off of Griffin's hand. You can see even just by looking at his delivery that he drives the football pretty effortlessly. Luck doesn't ever look like hes throwing hard, but he has an absolute gun in the intermediate game. Hard to say if that translates to the deep passing game, where he displayed impressive distance, but the ball kept hanging on him in the wind.

Overall, I thought Luck was more impressive at his pro day, but that could just be an effect of the way each workout was scripted. Griffin wanted to show that he could do 90% under center stuff, and that's just not all that exciting. The opinion that teaching a shotgun passer footwork is difficult is so very 2003. Luck showed a lot more because he entered with fewer doubters, IMO.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

For those that have seen both, what is your sense? Is there a clear and immediate winner? Given yesterdays performance, do you think the colts will select RG3 over Luck?

Personally I like Griffin better but to me these guys are 1a and 1b.
I'm guessing that most people that rate Luck ahead of Griffin value his 'pro-readiness' i.e. pre-snap reads, rhythm drop back passing proficiency, pro-style progression reads etc.
Luck's pro-readiness is attractive because it means there is less of a burden on the coaching staff to teach.
But those traits are learned or coachable traits they aren't a physical part of Luck's skillset that cannot be gained by other prospects.
I guess it depends on your view point; for me coached skills are less valueable then innate skills for a prospect.
Most of the prospects will have the best coaching of their lives ahead of them and will have the chance to learn the same things Luck was taught by Jim Harbaugh.

I have Luck and Griffin about equal in most tangible aspects.
Watching the pro-days actually helped me close the gap between Luck and Griffin's armstrength.
Before I though Griffin had a clear edge in being able to throw the ball with velocity and drive the ball on intermediate throws.
But,its really splitting hairs both are more then capable of making all the throws.
To my eye they're arm strength is about equal with Griffin having the edge on deep ball accuracy.
Luck has the family pedigree and a proto-typical physique.
Instead of listing the little areas where 1 has the edge over the other I'll skip to the main area that separates Griffin for Luck to me: playmaking.
Or as Bill Walsh liked to call spontaneous genius.

But anyway here's the word from the godfather of the draft/scouting:

Originally Posted by Gil Brandt

The workout that Robert Griffin III had Wednesday at Baylor was outstanding. I’m not sure whether he or Andrew Luck should be the No. 1 overall draft pick.

NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive RG3 wows in workout, deserves first-pick consideration «

If you're really interested in a statistical comparison that goes beyond the normal measures check out:
"Why RG3 could go ahead of Luck" by KC Joyner (i can't link it but if the mods don't mind I could post the whole article)

I think the Colts will select Andrew Luck, he's the safer,more conventional pick.