Trayvon Martin Case

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

You damn right I have issues and why shouldn't? Police conduct notwithstanding? Are we side stepping race as an issue when it comes to police conduct?


All you do is stick your head in the sand and say race isn't an issue but you never once mentioned why it isn't.

You don't know what evidence the cops do or don't have so your assuming alot with what your saying about the cops. That's not different then someone assuming the kid was mouthy teen.

[NC_Skins]

Isn't calling this 17 year old a "mouthy teenager" the same type of profiling that Zimmerman was doing? (sketchy/on drugs)


Sounds like to me that the kid was minding his own business, not bothering anybody. Some mouth breather guy "wanna be cop" decided to take action after he was told to stand down and to not pursue. I don't know about you, but if I'm rolling down the street or through a neighborhood and somebody rolls up on me like Zimmerman did this kid, chances are I would be defending myself.

The fact Zimmerman is claiming "self defense" is a farce. If anything, the kid was defending himself from a vigilante. No way this guy should be walking the street today. That said, I'm not surprised seeing how shitty Florida's judicial system is.


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[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Isn't calling this 17 year old a "mouthy teenager" the same type of profiling that Zimmerman was doing?

Yes. I stated earlier that most kids that age that I know or come into contact with are yappy as all get out. Unlike Zimmerman I refrain from shooting them though.

I may just be 'lucky' that I live in an area that is renowned for spoilt brats, wannabe gang bangers and actual, very dangerous, nothing to lose, real gang bangers. All yappy.

The nice, well-spoken teenager is a rarity.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Yes. I stated earlier that most kids that age that I know or come into contact with are yappy as all get out. Unlike Zimmerman I refrain from shooting them though.

I may just be 'lucky' that I live in an area that is renowned for spoilt brats, wannabe gang bangers and actual, very dangerous, nothing to lose, real gang bangers. All yappy.

The nice, well-spoken teenager is a rarity.

You need to move. The teens I meet are nice, well spoken its a rarity they are somting else.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Isn't calling this 17 year old a "mouthy teenager" the same type of profiling that Zimmerman was doing? (sketchy/on drugs)


Sounds like to me that the kid was minding his own business, not bothering anybody. Some mouth breather guy "wanna be cop" decided to take action after he was told to stand down and to not pursue. I don't know about you, but if I'm rolling down the street or through a neighborhood and somebody rolls up on me like Zimmerman did this kid, chances are I would be defending myself.

The fact Zimmerman is claiming "self defense" is a farce. If anything, the kid was defending himself from a vigilante. No way this guy should be walking the street today. That said, I'm not surprised seeing how shitty Florida's judicial system is.


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I agree that Zimmerman should not be walking the street but thinking something and proving it are two different stories.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You don't know what evidence the cops do or don't have so your assuming alot with what your saying about the cops. That's not different then someone assuming the kid was mouthy teen.

The evidence is out there.

Man stalks "suspcious" looking little black boy that that doesn't seem to fit in the neighborhood.

Man calls 911 to report it.

911 dispatcher tells man to stay away from the boy until police get there.

Man follows little black boy despite being told to stay away.

Scuffle ensues and little black boy end up getting shot and dies.

Police arrive and make no arrest and side with the assailant.

There was no attempt to find out who the boy was.

Police take Trayvon Martin's body and stored it in a morgue for three days and label him as John Doe.

When the family asked why Zimmerman had not been arrested, the police responded that he had a "squeaky-clean record" and they respected his educational background in criminal justice.

Zimmerman had a previous charge in 2005 of battery on a police officer while interfering with the arrest of a friend.

If you're telling me I don't have enough evidence to form a judgment about this case then on what grounds can you the vile shit that you said about Trayvon? I just hope what happen to Trayvon doesn't happen to your little girl. I know very well if it was her that was murdered you wouldn't appreciate me coming out and saying "she isn't as innocent as they are making her out to be."

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

The evidence is out there.

If you're telling me I don't have enough evidence to form a judgment about this case then on what grounds can you the vile shit that you said about Trayvon? I just hope what happen to Trayvon doesn't happen to your little girl. I know very well if it was her that was murdered you wouldn't appreciate me coming out and saying "she isn't as innocent as they are making her out to be."

So saying someone might not be as innocent little boy they make him out to be is now vile shit? I also said I think the guy had also murdered him in the same post.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So saying someone might not be as innocent as they make him out to be is now vile shit?

Yes, especially in this instance. What is Trayvon guilty of if he isn't innocent? Walking at night? Wearing a a hoodie? Being black? Being in the wrong neighborhood? What exactly gives you the impression that he is guilty?


You guys disgust me. I'm done talking about this case.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So saying someone might not be as innocent little boy they make him out to be is now vile shit? I also said I think the guy had also murdered him in the same post.

Once someone gets as incoherent as saden1 has it'll be a few days before we'll get any sense out of him.

I don't think anyone has said that the shooter was right but there should be a process, not just a bunch of angry villagers carry pitchforks and baying for blood.

I'm listening to 2 Live Crew and signing along, that probably makes me a racist.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So saying someone might not be as innocent little boy they make him out to be is now vile shit? I also said I think the guy had also murdered him in the same post.

Until information comes out saying he was doing otherwise, he's innocent in my mind. I can understand if he had some awful upbringing or if people said he was some gang banging, gun-toting, thug. But by all accounts so far, he seemed to be a kid minding his own business, never provoked Zimmerman in any way and who actually was trying to go somewhere in life.

Though contrary to popular belief, not all 16-21 year old young men are some mouthy hoodlums. I dunno man, its like some of you all wanted the kid to be a heathen.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Until information comes out saying he was doing otherwise, he's innocent in my mind.

Lest we forget, under the law and until proven otherwise, so is Zimmerman.

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I can understand if he had some awful upbringing or if people said he was some gang banging, gun-toting, thug. But by all accounts so far, he seemed to be a kid minding his own business, never provoked Zimmerman in any way and who actually was trying to go somewhere in life.

Though contrary to popular belief, not all 16-21 year old young men are some mouthy hoodlums. I dunno man, its like some of you all wanted the kid to be a heathen.

See, from every thing I have read there is absolutely no evidence to indicate whether Zimmerman or Martin initiated the physical confrontation. Lots of speculation and conjecture, but no proof one way or the other.

The owner of the property where Martin was shot said he saw the two men in an physical altercation. You can believe Martin was minding his own business, but, to convict Zimmerman of murder, you need proof that he initiated the physical confrontation or shot an immobilized Martin. If there is only evidence that they were in a physical confrontation, and lacking evidence that Zimmerman disabled Martin and then shot him, I don't see evidence of murder.

It's bad all around but, unless pitchforks and mob rule are to replace due process, I don't see how you can convict, or even indict, Zimmerman for murder at this point.

People can believe what they want, race was an issue, Martin was a good kid minding his own business, but based on the facts that have actually come to light, I don't think enough evidence exists to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Until information comes out saying he was doing otherwise, he's innocent in my mind.

Lest we forget, under the law and until proven otherwise, so is Zimmerman.

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I can understand if he had some awful upbringing or if people said he was some gang banging, gun-toting, thug. But by all accounts so far, he seemed to be a kid minding his own business, never provoked Zimmerman in any way and who actually was trying to go somewhere in life.

Though contrary to popular belief, not all 16-21 year old young men are some mouthy hoodlums. I dunno man, its like some of you all wanted the kid to be a heathen.

See, from every thing I have read there is absolutely no evidence to indicate whether Zimmerman or Martin initiated the physical confrontation. Lots of speculation and conjecture, but no proof one way or the other.

The owner of the property where Martin was shot said he saw the two men in an physical altercation. You can believe Martin was minding his own business, but, to convict Zimmerman of murder, you need proof that he initiated the physical confrontation or shot an immobilized Martin. If there is only evidence that they were in a physical confrontation, and lacking evidence that Zimmerman disabled Martin and then shot him, I don't see evidence of murder.

It's bad all around but, unless pitchforks and mob rule are to replace due process, I don't see how you can convict, or even indict, Zimmerman for murder at this point.

People can believe what they want, race was an issue, Martin was a good kid minding his own business, but based on the facts that have actually come to light, I don't think enough evidence exists to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt.