A Clarification on whether the Redskins are Re-Building

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

If you're talking about 50% of draft picks missing, how does it stand to reason that suddenly Luck or Tannehill will have a better supporting cast next year because a first round pick?

Based on a 50/50 failure rate, that makes those odds even less likely they'll have a better supporting cast than RGIII.

I think he's saying (in far too many words) that at least the Colts will have 1st rounders next year and the year after to add players around Luck. We will not be able to do so for Griffin. Fair point.

But it's MUCH harder to get the franchise QB than it is to fill in a surrounding cast. So you take your shot when you can. The mathematician in me says trading for Griffin is the right decision, simply because of the win shares a top QB represents to his team. But the fan in me also says that not trading up for Griffin would have been pussing out.

At some point, take an effing risk. Never up never in.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

If you're talking about 50% of draft picks missing, how does it stand to reason that suddenly Luck or Tannehill will have a better supporting cast next year because a first round pick?

Based on a 50/50 failure rate, that makes those odds even less likely they'll have a better supporting cast than RGIII.

I don't follow you.

I don't know where Tannehill is going (I suspect Miami), but based on where Luck is going, we won't know who comprises the core of the Andrew Luck Colts for a year or two. They have Anthony Castanzo and Donald Brown, but Jerry Hughes appears to be headed for bustsville. That leaves Castanzo, Luck, Brown, and first rounders in future drafts as well as this year's high second rounder to build the core of the Luck Colts.

Miami has Dansby, Vontae Davis, Cam Wake, Jake Long, and Mike Pouncey. Like the Colts, that's a nice start, but we won't know where the strength of their core lies until they get to building around Tannehill (if they even pick him).

If you're core players bust, they bust and have to be replaced. Always possible. But the Redskins' highest draft selection after Griffin is already second round of 2013. To get a core player there, they'd need to do a really good job in the evaluation process, take a risk on a guy with some upside, and pick him. But that's not an advantage the Redskins will have over other teams, who could do the same thing (especially if RG3 pans out and we're picking in the middle of the draft instead of at the top).

[REDSKINS4ever]

Since Mike Shanahan has been the head coach of the Redskins, there hasn't been a 1,000 yard rusher. Once either Roy Helu, Evan Royster, or some other running back accomplishes this feat, that's when the Redskins will start winning games. Along with a balanced attack to go along with the passing game, the offense will be explosive whether the quarterback is Robert Griffin III or Andrew Luck.

The offensive line has been in question since Shanahan's tenure as head coach. There's nothing wrong with the offensive line. The longer this group plays together the better they will be. Trent Williams, Kory Lichteinstger, Will Montgomery, Chester and maybe Jamaal Brown can be amongst the best offensive lines in the league. And they have depth with Maurice Hurt, Willie Smith, Sean Locklear, and Tyler Polumbus.

The defense played solidly last season as they moved 18 spots in the rankings from 31st to 13th. At one time during the season, they were actually ranked 11th, just shy of the top ten.

The Redskins have Stephen Bowen, Adam Carriker, Barry Cofield starting. As everyone knows, the defense will be getting Jarvis Jenkins back and young NT Chris Neild will be growing more into his nose tackle role.

The linebacking corps with Perry Riley, Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, and possibly London Fletcher can only get better as they caused all sorts of havoc on quarterbacks and running backs last season.

In the secondary, the Redskins left a lot to be desired. This unit is probably the reason why the defense didn't get a top 10 ranking. They've added a few parts in free agency and Raheem Morris has been hired to direct the defensive backs. Landry and Atogwe are both gone, but the safety play could only improve from what we saw last season.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Since Mike Shanahan has been the head coach of the Redskins, there hasn't been a 1,000 yard rusher. Once either Roy Helu, Evan Royster, or some other running back accomplishes this feat, that's when the Redskins will start winning games. Along with a balanced attack to go along with the passing game, the offense will be explosive whether the quarterback is Robert Griffin III or Andrew Luck.

The offensive line has been in question since Shanahan's tenure as head coach. There's nothing wrong with the offensive line. The longer this group plays together the better they will be. Trent Williams, Kory Lichteinstger, Will Montgomery, Chester and maybe Jamaal Brown can be amongst the best offensive lines in the league. And they have depth with Maurice Hurt, Willie Smith, Sean Locklear, and Tyler Polumbus.

Just a few question for you that I couldn't figure out from your post.

What do you think is stopping one of those backs from gaining 1,000 yards?
What do you think is causing the imbalanace in the offensive attack?

Why is there nothing wrong with the OL?
Why will this same OL that was barely average last year be amongst the best this year?

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Just a few question for you that I couldn't figure out from your post.

What do you think is stopping one of those backs from gaining 1,000 yards?
What do you think is causing the imbalanace in the offensive attack?

Why is there nothing wrong with the OL?
Why will this same OL that was barely average last year be amongst the best this year?

Helu could have easily gained one thousand yards. But Mike Shanahan made him a starter only after Tim Hightower tore his ACL. In my opinion, Helu is our best running back last year and had he gotten more carries earlier in the season, he would have gotten 1,000 plus yards.

The Redskins ranked 16th in offense last year and that was with turnover machine Rex Grossman and that bum John Beck playing quarterback. Nothing was truly wrong with the offense. The amateurish quarterback play was the main contributing factor in how bad the offense was. The Redskins actually hung tough the first four games, but reality soon set in.

The offensive line was depleted by injuries. When the reserves did play, they struggled but at times they also played admirably. Sometimes when a team is trying to find itself, the coaches can replace players with other ones, but they also allow certain units to keep playing together until they are very good. The Redskins have a young offensive line. Brown was the elder lineman.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I agree, particularly when you're talking about taking someone later just to MAYBE get Barkley next year.

Even if we had those first rounders and ended up getting solely SOLID picks, a real QB is more than worth it.

[CRedskinsRule]

I will take a core of 2 strong OLBs a young LT and a potential franchise QB. Add in a potential DT in Jenkins, and some young RBs and I would say that as a nucleus it would be a very good one.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I will take a core of 2 strong OLBs a young LT and a potential franchise QB. Add in a potential DT in Jenkins, and some young RBs and I would say that as a nucleus it would be a very good one.

I'll say this: if you're going to plant your core at four positions on the field and build around that, those are four pretty good positions to pick.

It's just a small core, that's all. I mean, look at Kansas City, a possible landing spot for Tannehill:

2005-Derrick Johnson
2006-Tamba Hali
2007-Dwayne Bowe
2008-Glenn Dorsey, Branden Albert, Brandon Flowers, Jamaal Charles
2009-Tyson Jackson
2010-Eric Berry
2011-Jon Baldwin
2012-Tannehill?

They ran the personnel guy who built the first half of that out of town, kind of like we did with Vinny.

Johnson and Hali are 29 and in their primes, but that's a team that would become the dominant team in the west if it fixed it's QB issue. If you add RG3 to that? You wouldn't care about not picking in the next two rounds. That core is massive.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

If you add Helu's and Royster's rushing yards this season they are at 968 with limited play time and Ryan Torain and Tim Hightower taking carries. With a full 16 game season Helu will easily crack 1,000 yards. I predict he gets 1,000 this season and Royster gets 500 plus. The addition of Griffin and his bootleg backside threat will open holes a la Mike Vick in Atlanta.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

I would add Fred Davis to our "core" young talent. Hankerson/Helu/Royster showed flashes on offense as did Perry Riley and Jarvis Jenkins on D. Now if Garcon and Morgan pan out like I think they will, we will be in sexy shape.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I would add Fred Davis to our "core" young talent. Hankerson/Helu/Royster showed flashes on offense as did Perry Riley and Jarvis Jenkins on D. Now if Garcon and Morgan pan out like I think they will, we will be in sexy shape.

I have no problem with Fred Davis being considered a core player, once they agree to a long-term contract (same with Orakpo).

Hankerson/Helu/Royster are supporting cast guys. And hopefully really good ones. As obviously, are Garcon and Morgan.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I have no problem with Fred Davis being considered a core player, once they agree to a long-term contract (same with Orakpo).



Hankerson/Helu/Royster are supporting cast guys. And hopefully really good ones. As obviously, are Garcon and Morgan.

If Garcon, Hankerson, or Morgan can give us the production that Santana has given us over the last 7 years they become core pieces to me. Helu showed last year that he can be a 225-250 carry 1,000 yard back if used as a full-time starter. I see Helu cracking 1,000 yards this season.

[SkinItup]

I think we are rebuilt. Shanny has found the team he wanted for the most part. He will more less sink or swim with the players we have going into this year.

[ethat001]

First, it sucks to lose 1st round draft picks, but if RG3 lives up to the hype, it would be worth it. Also, if we get our cap room back, the FAs we could sign could more than make up for the loss of draft picks (which was the plan to begin with before the commish intervened)..

And I agree w previous post -- with this draft, I'd say we already REBUILT.

RG3 fills the most important role, and now we've completed the most important part of our rebuilding process. Everything else is easier and downhill, and we'll continue to improve/rebuild the team - but again, our rebuilding process will peak with the draft this year, and will mostly finish in 2 years.

[REDSKINS4ever]

If the passing game can become explosive, then the Redskins should be able to rack up yardage and points. When was the last time the Redskins had two wide receivers go over 1,000 yards in a season? Michael Wesbrook and Albert Connell way back in 1999. If Garcon and Hankerson can each top 1,000 yards worth of receptions, and if Helu can rush for over 1,000 yards then consider the offense completely fixed.

Giving RG3 the keys to the offense is similar to what Joe Gibbs did with a young Mark Rypien in 1988 and 1989. And if the defense can improve on it 13th place ranking from a season ago, this Redskins team can go very far.

At preseason's end, quite a few NFL analysts were predicting the Redskins to win the NFC east. Well, what will they say this coming season especially when the Redskins have more explosive weapons than a year ago?