A Clarification on whether the Redskins are Re-Building

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

True. But the only QBs in whom we believe are SB winners are those taken at the top of the draft. Eli validated the belief.

Hence Griffin. QBs with that much promise give hope by offering the legit shot at it.

I mean, T.J. Yates was never plan A, but he was taken in the 6th round last year, and ended up quarterbacking the pound-for-pound best team last year as a rookie. Odds were always going to be against him to win the whole thing, but all the Texans needed was a guy who would be pushing in the right direction at the quarterback position. And there are more than 32 guys like that in the league.

The Redskins, however, cannot get to where the Texans were simply by having Griffin push the team in the right direction. He is the team. Already.

I don't think the Redskins deserve to be ridiculed for making what was a very defensible trade. But by calling this trade a "loss" for the Redskins FO, we can separate Griffin from the expectations that 3 first round picks and a second would normally create. If we can accept that the Redskins got worse in this deal, I think we can judge RG3 in comparison to all highly drafted NFL quarterbacks, instead of the player who returned the greatest compensation in the last 12 NFL seasons.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I mean, T.J. Yates was never plan A, but he was taken in the 6th round last year, and ended up quarterbacking the pound-for-pound best team last year as a rookie. Odds were always going to be against him to win the whole thing, but all the Texans needed was a guy who would be pushing in the right direction at the quarterback position. And there are more than 32 guys like that in the league.

The Redskins, however, cannot get to where the Texans were simply by having Griffin push the team in the right direction. He is the team. Already.

I don't think the Redskins deserve to be ridiculed for making what was a very defensible trade. But by calling this trade a "loss" for the Redskins FO, we can separate Griffin from the expectations that 3 first round picks and a second would normally create. If we can accept that the Redskins got worse in this deal, I think we can judge RG3 in comparison to all highly drafted NFL quarterbacks, instead of the player who returned the greatest compensation in the last 12 NFL seasons.

Well when Schaub went down so did the hopes of the entire fan base. Nobody truly believed they'd win with TJ Yates. I'm unsure whether Schaub could have gotten it done either, but with Yates, forget it.

I'm not interested in separating Griffin from those expectations. You seem to think those expectations are unreasonably high. Not sure why, everyone who knows something about football seems to think Griffin's one of the best to come out since Manning.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Well when Schaub went down so did the hopes of the entire fan base. Nobody truly believed they'd win with TJ Yates. I'm unsure whether Schaub could have gotten it done either, but with Yates, forget it.

I'm not interested in separating Griffin from those expectations. You seem to think those expectations are unreasonably high. Not sure why, everyone who knows something about football seems to think Griffin's one of the best to come out since Manning.

He is, but the guy he's most similar to (Aaron Rodgers) couldn't find a team to take him in the draft and even as recently as 2008, played for a team that drafted a quarterback in the first two rounds because they just didn't know what they had in him.

I mean, it's not unreasonable to believe that as good as RG3 is, that the Redskins find themselves making an educated guess in 2015 on whether to offer him a second contract or move in a different direction. It could have easily happened with the Packers and Rodgers, if the front office that drafted him wasn't still there.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He is, but the guy he's most similar to (Aaron Rodgers) couldn't find a team to take him in the draft and even as recently as 2008, played for a team that drafted a quarterback in the first two rounds because they just didn't know what they had in him.

I mean, it's not unreasonable to believe that as good as RG3 is, that the Redskins find themselves making an educated guess in 2015 on whether to offer him a second contract or move in a different direction. It could have easily happened with the Packers and Rodgers, if the front office that drafted him wasn't still there.

It's totally unreasonable to believe that. Rodgers sat for two (three?) seasons first, so naturally data was incomplete. RG3 will play immediately (there's certainly no Favre in his way here). They'll have all the info they need to decide on a big contract in 2015.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

It's totally unreasonable to believe that. Rodgers sat for two (three?) seasons first, so naturally data was incomplete. RG3 will play immediately (there's certainly no Favre in his way here). They'll have all the info they need to decide on a big contract in 2015.

I'm saying it's likely that early results will be mixed. If not from snap to snap (like early career Grossman), then from year to year (like early career Josh Freeman).

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm saying it's likely that early results will be mixed. If not from snap to snap (like early career Grossman), then from year to year (like early career Josh Freeman).

Mixed results due to a surrounding cast as erratic as Freeman's? Or in that RG3's abilities compare to Freeman's?

Because Griffin is light years ahead of where Freeman was coming out.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Mixed results due to a surrounding cast as erratic as Freeman's? Or in that RG3's abilities compare to Freeman's?

Because Griffin is light years ahead of where Freeman was coming out.

The former, most likely.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He is, but the guy he's most similar to (Aaron Rodgers) couldn't find a team to take him in the draft and even as recently as 2008, played for a team that drafted a quarterback in the first two rounds because they just didn't know what they had in him.

I mean, it's not unreasonable to believe that as good as RG3 is, that the Redskins find themselves making an educated guess in 2015 on whether to offer him a second contract or move in a different direction. It could have easily happened with the Packers and Rodgers, if the front office that drafted him wasn't still there.

If Griffin isn't worth resigning, then the current FO will not be here, and he won't be resigned. If he is, the current FO will be here, and he will be resigned. I doubt it will be based on any guessing period.