Redskins, Cowboys could go “nuclear” over cap mess

[CRedskinsRule]

If the NFL approved these contract, how can they come back 2 years later and say they were illegal?

I don't agree but it sounds like the nfl's argument is that any one contract was not illegal, BUT when taken in the totality of transactions by the team it showed an intent to engage in anticompetitve practices.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I don't agree but it sounds like the nfl's argument is that any one contract was not illegal, BUT when taken in the totality of transactions by the team it showed an intent to engage in anticompetitve practices.

Well, yeah. Okay. I still say "So what"? Anti-competitive practices? Define please - and in your definition you are prohibited from using the words "salary cap" as there was no such thing in existence in 2010 nor was there any guarrantee that it would ever again exist.

blah blah blah ... NFL is simply trying to throw crap against the wall hoping something, anything will stick.

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I don't agree but it sounds like the nfl's argument is that any one contract was not illegal, BUT when taken in the totality of transactions by the team it showed an intent to engage in anticompetitve practices.

There were two they took issue with: haynesworth and hall. Either one of the transactions was substantial enough to throw off red flags to the NFL. I'm sorry, but if that's the NFL's defense, they are ****ed.

[Player_HTTR]

So two rights do make a wrong???? That would make the opposite true by that reasoning and boy do my parents have some explaining to do now.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I don't agree but it sounds like the nfl's argument is that any one contract was not illegal, BUT when taken in the totality of transactions by the team it showed an intent to engage in anticompetitve practices.

...but Julius Pepper's 30+ million salary for 2010 was completely legit?...lol



No.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

...but Julius Pepper's 30+ million salary for 2010 was completely legit?...lol



No.

My understanding is that the figures being put out on Peppers is wrong, and that ultimately, his cap hit was like 20M each year including the uncapped year.


Regardless, the NFL is arguing pattern of behavior, not individual contract status. It's still a bogus claim, but it may be harder to disprove than simply saying well you approved them and that's that.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

My understanding is that the figures being put out on Peppers is wrong, and that ultimately, his cap hit was like 20M each year including the uncapped year.


Regardless, the NFL is arguing pattern of behavior, not individual contract status. It's still a bogus claim, but it may be harder to disprove than simply saying well you approved them and that's that.

His cap year was at 19 million the year before with the Panthers, and only because it was a one year "Franchise" deal. Wasn't like it's been 19 mil per year for years. His 30+ million dollar cap figure for 2010 was definitely them dumping it into the uncapped year.

There were many teams that did this. It's hypocrisy to say the least.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

His cap year was at 19 million the year before with the Panthers, and only because it was a one year "Franchise" deal. Wasn't like it's been 19 mil per year for years. His 30+ million dollar cap figure for 2010 was definitely them dumping it into the uncapped year.

There were many teams that did this. It's hypocrisy to say the least.

It is hypocrisy, I agree. But Peppers numbers don't prove it:

Originally Posted by AdamJT13-cowboyszone

It was not. Some reports about Peppers' contract structure were completely wrong.

These were Peppers' cap numbers when he signed --

2010 = $14,783,333
2011 = $12,783,333
2012 = $10,283,333
2013 = $14,283,333
2014 = $15,283,333
2015 = $17,583,335

that guy is their equivalent of our Schneed/CC and is very solid on his numbers.

I am not arguing the cap hit is bogus, anyone with half a wit can figure that out (except G1, who does have half a wit, just chooses not to use it on this issue), simply that Peppers contract numbers from Sporttrac were just wrong.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

It is hypocrisy, I agree. But Peppers numbers don't prove it:


that guy is there equivalent of our Schneed/CC and is very solid on his numbers.

I am not arguing the cap hit is bogus, anyone with half a wit can figure that out (except G1, who does have half a wit, just chooses not to use it on this issue), simply that Peppers contract numbers from Sporttrac were just wrong.

Gotcha. If those are the actual numbers then I take back what I said in regards to the Bears.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Gotcha. If those are the actual numbers then I take back what I said in regards to the Bears.

Why? if you look at each year individually the Bears helped themselves to more CAP space then the Cowboys did each year. $12mill one year $14 mill another. They paid him off so his CAP hit wouldn't be there in the future or as big each year. Again Dallas had less of a gain for their one year yet they got hammered.

They may have only had millions in the teens each yr but overall from 2010 on they gained that CAP space each yr by paying him a bigger bonus.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

My understanding is that the figures being put out on Peppers is wrong, and that ultimately, his cap hit was like 20M each year including the uncapped year.


Regardless, the NFL is arguing pattern of behavior, not individual contract status. It's still a bogus claim, but it may be harder to disprove than simply saying well you approved them and that's that.

So in reality it's $40 mill total?

Even if I stayed with your $20 mill thats more then Dallas gained.