Was McNabb misused in Minnesota also?

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think McCrap has a little misdirected hostilities. Needs to talk about how the Eagles tossed him to a divisional rival and how they were comfortable with doing that.

This just made me think about something...

Did the eagles trade him to us because they knew it would hurt us. ie They knew McNabb was done, or old dog new trick, or big ego or something else?

Or

Did the eagles take a gamble because our offer was so much higher than every other interested team. ie Shanahan/Allen missed what everyone else saw?

[skinster]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

This just made me think about something...

Did the eagles trade him to us because they knew it would hurt us. ie They knew McNabb was done, or old dog new trick, or big ego or something else?

Or

Did the eagles take a gamble because our offer was so much higher than every other interested team. ie Shanahan/Allen missed what everyone else saw?

Andy Reid had to have seen that McNabb wasn't what he used to be. How bad he knew he was is up to debate, but there is no way he would trade McNabb to the skins when equal offers were given if he thought that McNabb would be able to do serious damage. Since 2005 (the year eli Manning became a starter), McNabb's average TD/year was a little over 19 for the 5 remaining years he was an eagle. McNabb in that time period McNabb's highest TD mark was 23. In those 5 years Eli only had one year lower than that in 2008 when he had 21. You have to remember, for a long time people said Manning was terrible. He didn't even make this pre-seasons top 10 QBs on almost any show I watched. It's even worse once you take into account that the Eagles were a pass first team.

McNabb also was getting up there in years, and had many injuries over his career.

Age/injuries/lack of performance in a pass friendly offense.....don't know why he was still highly regarded. Coaches get too wrapped up in wins when it comes to QBs.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by skinster

Andy Reid had to have seen that McNabb wasn't what he used to be. How bad he knew he was is up to debate, but there is no way he would trade McNabb to the skins when equal offers were given if he thought that McNabb would be able to do serious damage. Since 2005 (the year eli Manning became a starter), McNabb's average TD/year was a little over 19 for the 5 remaining years he was an eagle. McNabb in that time period McNabb's highest TD mark was 23. In those 5 years Eli only had one year lower than that in 2008 when he had 21. You have to remember, for a long time people said Manning was terrible. He didn't even make this pre-seasons top 10 QBs on almost any show I watched. It's even worse once you take into account that the Eagles were a pass first team.

McNabb also was getting up there in years, and had many injuries over his career.

Age/injuries/lack of performance in a pass friendly offense.....don't know why he was still highly regarded. Coaches get too wrapped up in wins when it comes to QBs.

Yeah i rememeber the big issue most of us had was the fact the McNabb hadnt made it a full season but X amount of times in the the last X years, and his age. I dont think anyone could have predicted it would have worked out as bad as it did.... except maybe the eagles.

I wonder how much we bid over other teams. If it was a little bit, it could suggest the eagles knew mcnabb would cause big problems for us. If it was a lot it could suggest Shanahan and Allen got it wrong, and everyone else got it right.

[NC_Skins]

[Dirtbag59]

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Donovan McNabb feels that Robert Griffin III will come up short in Mike Shanahan's offense, similar to McNabb's passes.

[htownskinfan]

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Donovan McNabb feels that Robert Griffin III will come up short in Mike Shanahan's offense, similar to McNabb's passes.

I think Mcnabb is spouting sour grapes with a bit of the truth thrown in there.
When I watch that video Im impressed with Mcnabbs play in that game.He was under constant heavy pass rush,he scrambled like the Mcnabb of old,he had at least 6 drops of very catchable balls,he did not look washed up at all to me in this game

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I think Mcnabb is spouting sour grapes with a bit of the truth thrown in there.
When I watch that video Im impressed with Mcnabbs play in that game.He was under constant heavy pass rush,he scrambled like the Mcnabb of old,he had at least 6 drops of very catchable balls,he did not look washed up at all to me in this game

Keep in mind that game he went 7-15 for 39 yards with 1 TD, 1 INT. He was basically Lord Checkdown in that game (way above the rank of Captain).

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

This just made me think about something...

Did the eagles trade him to us because they knew it would hurt us. ie They knew McNabb was done, or old dog new trick, or big ego or something else?

Or

Did the eagles take a gamble because our offer was so much higher than every other interested team. ie Shanahan/Allen missed what everyone else saw?

It was that one. And I think that's a really good way of stating it. The Eagles took a big risk putting McNabb in the division, and giving him to a coach with the reputation of Mike Shanahan.

Philadelphia had serious offers on the table from Washington and Oakland, but McNabb didn't want to go to Oakland because (at the time) they were a circus.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It was that one. And I think that's a really good way of stating it. The Eagles took a big risk putting McNabb in the division, and giving him to a coach with the reputation of Mike Shanahan.

Philadelphia had serious offers on the table from Washington and Oakland, but McNabb didn't want to go to Oakland because (at the time) they were a circus.

I thought i remembered there being something goofy with McNabb's contract that allowed him to have some say in who he was traded to. Not sure what this is susposed to mean:

If he were traded, McNabb, who doesn't retain a no-trade clause but does hold the power to decline contract offers, would prefer the Minnesota Vikings, according to a report in The Philadelphia Inquirer, which cited sources close to the situation.

Report: Philadelphia Eagles want draft pick among top 42 in deal with quarterback Donovan McNabb - ESPN

Interestingly the article notes that Oakland was willing to trade Asomugha, but Philly not wanting it because the asking price was too high; Oakland wanted more then just McNabb.

Regardless of what all this says about our mistake is trading for McNabb, i think it really says a lot about how well run the philly front office is. I hate philly more then any other team, and i know/love that they have never won a superbowl, and that last year blew up on them, but i dont think many of us here would do the things philly did in the last few years very differently, amazingly even in retrospect.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

This just made me think about something...

Did the eagles trade him to us because they knew it would hurt us. ie They knew McNabb was done, or old dog new trick, or big ego or something else?

Or

Did the eagles take a gamble because our offer was so much higher than every other interested team. ie Shanahan/Allen missed what everyone else saw?

or

The Eagles had 3 capable QBs decided to trade the QB that would return the greatest compensation.

There was probably little worry about trading a then pro-bowl QB to a terrible team because Reid realized after beating us all the time that we weren't a pro-bowl QB away from being a threat to them.
Mike Shanahan himself later admitted that the team was worse off then he thought when he first took over.