Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I don't understand this line of thinking...Exactly what was the problem in upgrading our worst (other than QB) overall position group?

To answer your question about the 'problem':

Given the limited resources avaibable in FA especially a FA that has been truncated by 16+ million dollars and that FA is a zero sum game where one acquisition often limits or prevents another WR imo is lower on the team building totem poll then other positions especially OL and ILB.

In your haste to disagree I feel like you didn't even read my post as most of your premises/(rhetorical) questions have nothing to do with my points.

I said nothing about the OL making the WRs more explosive or any of the things you said.

I'll restate my points if I wasn't clear before:

o For me its a question of team building philosophy.

o For me improving pass protection is more important then upgrading the WRs



BTW-
How did Armstrong end with 19.8 ypc 2 years ago?
Pretty good for a guy that 'can't get off press'

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

BTW-
How did Armstrong end with 19.8 ypc 2 years ago?
Pretty good for a guy that 'can't get off press'

Because teams hadn't caught up to his weaknesses. That following year they realize he can't get off the bump press at the line of scrimmage, his stats and usefulness plummeted. This has been verified by several insiders that I follow. Don't expect Armstrong to be around unless he's found a way to get past the bump coverage at the LOS.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by 30gut

To answer your question about the 'problem':

Given the limited resources avaibable in FA especially a FA that has been truncated by 16+ million dollars and that FA is a zero sum game where one acquisition often limits or prevents another WR imo is lower on the team building totem poll then other positions especially OL and ILB.

In your haste to disagree I feel like you didn't even read my post as most of your premises/(rhetorical) questions have nothing to do with my points.

I said nothing about the OL making the WRs more explosive or any of the things you said.

I'll restate my points if I wasn't clear before:

o For me its a question of team building philosophy.

o For me improving pass protection is more important then upgrading the WRs



BTW-
How did Armstrong end with 19.8 ypc 2 years ago?
Pretty good for a guy that 'can't get off press'

So let me restate my question to align with your points. What improvement do you expect from the same WR personnel with improved pass protection? What's wrong with the philosophy of improving your weakest position group?

Here's the problem with citing 2010 Armstrong and Moss stats. It's 2012. You can't ignore a year and say, but they used to be good. Moss had a bunch of drops (pre and post hand injury) and his YPC was actually 2 yards better post injury (11.4 vs. 13.5) so the 'injured year' statement doesn't hold much water.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

So let me restate my question to align with your points. What improvement do you expect from the same WR personnel with improved pass protection?

Again you're missing or ignoring my point.
Improving the WR production would not be my main objective.
For this year I wouldn't have been concerned with using the limited FA resources to improve the WR production.
If there is improvement in WR production it would come from the upgrade at QB and the normal development of young WRs (Hankerson specifically) and the return of a healthy Moss and Armstrong (if he's even back).
And if there were additional FA resources after we addressed the OL and ILB then I look at the remaining FA WRs (maybe a Harry Douglas or an Early Doucet).

But, in year 1 of my rookie QB's development my main objectives would be to win upfront at the LOS and protect my QB with a solid running game and good pass protection.

WRs would be at the bottom of my list on team building scale.
A lot of production from a passing game is a function of chemistry which is built over time.
A QB that is comfortable and knows his offense can help WRs develop and elevate their production.
And once an offense is built its easier to plug in a WR foregein to the system to the system like Garcon/Morgan will be.

Here's the problem with citing 2010 Armstrong and Moss stats. It's 2012. You can't ignore a year and say, but they used to be good.

Where have I made the above point?

Moss had a bunch of drops (pre and post hand injury) and his YPC was actually 2 yards better post injury (11.4 vs. 13.5) so the 'injured year' statement doesn't hold much water

I don't think Moss had enough drops to be a meaningful sign of decline especially post injury.

Do you really think cherry picking the stats above is meaningful? Every game has its own circumstances and when you don't take the stats as whole it almost renders them meaningless because you don't know what the causes were.