Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan

[The Goat]

Going into the 2012 campaign w/ a rookie QB, two FA WR editions (one coming off serious injury) and a 2nd yr player who saw little gameday action and is also coming off a very serious injury seems risky as hell. Honestly I won't be surprised if Gaffney is our most productive WR again this year. And if Moss gets his sh!t together he could be the guy.

Like every off-season folks are getting too excited about our "new toys" from FA. Both Garcon and Morgan will have to adapt to a new system and new QB simultaneously. Unless Mike and Kyle are going to put the whole offense in Griffin's hands, as Carolina did for Cam, we should expect some time for chemistry to develop.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by The Goat

And if Moss gets his sh!t together he could be the guy....Like every off-season folks are getting too excited about our "new toys" from FA.

I would bet dollars to donuts that a healthy Moss using training camp to remind everyone just how good is and that he'll use the training camp competition to earn the right to be one of the top 2 WRs on the team.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I would bet dollars to donuts that a healthy Moss using training camp to remind everyone just how good is and that he'll use the training camp competition to earn the right to be one of the top 2 WRs on the team.

Pretty plausible. Who's starting opposite: Garcon or Gaffney?

[30gut]

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[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I would bet dollars to donuts that a healthy Moss using training camp to remind everyone just how good is and that he'll use the training camp competition to earn the right to be one of the top 2 WRs on the team.

Is Moss able to turn back the clock as well? How did his hand injury last year prevent him from gaining YAC and separation from CB and LB? We need to realize that Moss isn't a 28 year old burner anymore. He's more likely (even if healthy) to be a 3rd receiver than one of the top 2 WR on the team.

Our most explosive receiving weapons should be:
Garçon
Hankerson
Davis
Morgan
Cooley/Moss
Gaffney
Paul

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Is Moss able to turn back the clock as well? How did his hand injury last year prevent him from gaining YAC and separation from CB and LB? We need to realize that Moss isn't a 28 year old burner anymore. He's more likely (even if healthy) to be a 3rd receiver than one of the top 2 WR on the team.

Our most explosive receiving weapons should be:
Garçon
Hankerson
Davis
Morgan
Cooley/Moss
Gaffney
Paul

Maybe in 2013...although Hankerson's health/durability is such a big question ? at this point I can't imagine the FO sees it this way. Using most our FA $ on WRs would be pretty irrational if Bruce/Mike/Kyle thought Hank was going to make an impact this season.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Maybe in 2013...although Hankerson's health/durability is such a big question ? at this point I can't imagine the FO sees it this way. Using most our FA $ on WRs would be pretty irrational if Bruce/Mike/Kyle thought Hank was going to make an impact this season.

The Garçon contract is big, no doubt, but they expect big things from him but Morgan's contract (reportedly) is written in such a way they can get out of it after this season with minimal cap damage. I'd call him more of Hankerson insurance than a replacement or someone expected to provide the expected impact of Hankerson.

Ideally, I think Shanny sees Garçon over the top and taking crossing routes for big gains, Hankerson as the chain mover across the middle of the field and a red zone target & Morgan in the Gaffney role of 3rd down receiver or can beat an overmatched corner/safety. I don't think there's much expectation for Moss or Gaffney in the plans going forward. If we got Royal, I'm pretty sure Moss would have been cut or would be a June 1 cut because he would become our slot WR. Since we didn't, Moss may survive but don't be surprised to see a relatively high pick, even our third rounder, used on a slot type WR (Joe Adams/Ryan Broyles) for the future.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

The Garçon contract is big, no doubt, but they expect big things from him but Morgan's contract (reportedly) is written in such a way they can get out of it after this season with minimal cap damage. I'd call him more of Hankerson insurance than a replacement or someone expected to provide the expected impact of Hankerson.

Ideally, I think Shanny sees Garçon over the top and taking crossing routes for big gains, Hankerson as the chain mover across the middle of the field and a red zone target & Morgan in the Gaffney role of 3rd down receiver or can beat an overmatched corner/safety. I don't think there's much expectation for Moss or Gaffney in the plans going forward. If we got Royal, I'm pretty sure Moss would have been cut or would be a June 1 cut because he would become our slot WR.

I can mostly agree w/ the first paragraph. As to the rest, you and I agree this is what Mike/Kyle are grasping for...the difference is I don't believe those three players (Garcon, Hankerson and Morgan) are likely to develop into that overnight if ever, and I hope this time around Mike swallows the pride pill and rethinks the starters so Griffin benefits from better consistency and overall results as a rookie QB w/ the weight of the world on his shoulders.

...i.e. I anticipate another ego vs. practicality/team/results situation, and I'm hopeful w/ the gravity of the decision on his mind Mike chooses Griffin and some combo of Gaffney, Moss, Davis/Cooley and some rotation/combo of Garcon, Hankerson or Morgan.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Is Moss able to turn back the clock as well?

We're all intitled to our opinions.
You attribute Moss decline in production last year to age, I attribute it to injury.

How did his hand injury last year prevent him from gaining YAC and separation from CB and LB?

Does a broken hand's effect on YAC really need to be explained?
Obviously a WR with a broken hand is gonna be effected because his ability to catch the football is effected.
YAC is about catching the ball then making a move.
A WR that is gingerly catching the ball is wasting valuable miliseconds that could be used making a move.

BTW-Its a spurious question anyway because it implies that Moss decline in YAC is a sign of age/decline.
It would be like me making some spurious claim based on Garcon's drop in YAC from 6.1 in 2009 to 2010 to 4.0.
YAC varries from year to year and would you have guessed that Moss and Garcon have the same career YPC.

....We need to realize that Moss isn't a 28 year old burner anymore. He's more likely (even if healthy) to be a 3rd receiver than one of the top 2 WR on the team

Moss isn't as fast as he used to be, but speed doesn't vanish.
Its not like Moss has gone from a 4.3 to a 4.7.
But that is besides the point anyway because even in Moss very productive 2010 season he more as slot WR and a move around guy.
Moss isn't being counted on as an 'explosive' WR but that doesn't mean that he can't be a productive WR.
And lets not forget that scheme knowledge is going to be very important with a rookie QB and 2 WRs new to the scheme.