New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters

[MTK]

No problem with the foul language, but talking about hitting Gore in the head, hitting him in the head while in the pile, etc., and taking out a guy's ACL? Way over the line. I honestly don't think the guy should ever coach in the league again.

Michael Irvin “almost threw up” when he heard Gregg Williams speech | ProFootballTalk

49ers’ Whitner thinks Williams’ actions were “really disgusting” | ProFootballTalk

Yeah going after guys when you know they are hurting is nothing new. But when you tie in the fact that bounties were involved, it makes it a whole new game.

This BS about everyone is doing it is just that, BS.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

No problem with the foul language, but talking about hitting Gore in the head, hitting him in the head while in the pile, etc., and taking out a guy's ACL? Way over the line. I honestly don't think the guy should ever coach in the league again.

Yeah going after guys when you know they are hurting is nothing new. But when you tie in the fact that bounties were involved, it makes it a whole new game.

This BS about everyone is doing it is just that, BS.

I agree that deliberately taking out a guys knee or deliberately trying to concuss(helmet to helmet hit) a player is way out of line.

Testing a guy who is coming back from an ACL injury or trying to knock the crap out of a guy with concussion problems is fair game to me.

People are calling for GW to be banned for life but has anyone studied actual game film to see if the Saints tried to take out Crabtrees ACL or have film of a helmet to helmet hit on Kyle Williams?
Anyone interview those guys and ask them what they thought of the Saints play? What about the other Saints Opponents last year?

I think the tape shows GW going over the line trying to get his guys hyped and motivated for the game. All 26 defensive players know how to play the game and wouldn't intentionally risk a guys career on a cheep shot.

Guys like Darren Sharper and London Fletcher have said that GW is one of the best coaches they have ever played for. If GW was really after ending guys seasons/careers, I doubt a standup guy like Fletcher would feel that way about him.

Trying to knock a guy out is a part of the game whether you like it or not.



What was everyones initial reaction to Lavar Arrington Taking out Aikman?
Were you saddened that Troy was knocked out of the game and ultimately career?
Do you think Lavar was running over to hopefully get a nice textbook wrapup tackle?



To be honest, I am waiting for Shanahan to be banned for teaching cut blocking. The only thing that tore up more knees than Cut blocking is the old astro turf at Veterans Stadium.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jamf

I agree that deliberately taking out a guys knee or deliberately trying to concuss(helmet to helmet hit) a player is way out of line.

Testing a guy who is coming back from an ACL injury or trying to knock the crap out of a guy with concussion problems is fair game to me.

People are calling for GW to be banned for life but has anyone studied actual game film to see if the Saints tried to take out Crabtrees ACL or have film of a helmet to helmet hit on Kyle Williams?
Anyone interview those guys and ask them what they thought of the Saints play? What about the other Saints Opponents last year?

I think the tape shows GW going over the line trying to get his guys hyped and motivated for the game. All 26 defensive players know how to play the game and wouldn't intentionally risk a guys career on a cheep shot.

Guys like Darren Sharper and London Fletcher have said that GW is one of the best coaches they have ever played for. If GW was really after ending guys seasons/careers, I doubt a standup guy like Fletcher would feel that way about him.

Trying to knock a guy out is a part of the game whether you like it or not.



What was everyones initial reaction to Lavar Arrington Taking out Aikman?
Were you saddened that Troy was knocked out of the game and ultimately career?
Do you think Lavar was running over to hopefully get a nice textbook wrapup tackle?



To be honest, I am waiting for Shanahan to be banned for teaching cut blocking. The only thing that tore up more knees than Cut blocking is the old astro turf at Veterans Stadium.

I though GW went a little overboard with the ACL comments. But it is legal to hit someone on the knee. The stuff about Gore was just talk. I highly doubt any of the Saints players went head hunting cause the fines are way too severe. If a player is hurt and decides to go out on the field then it IS FAIR GAME. Romo had rib issues and D. Hall said he was going to hit him in the ribs. Sorry but that's football.

Goodell is just the owners bitch. He doesn't give a damn about the players. His loyalty is with the owners and that's why he's so obsessed about all the head injuries....cause of all the lawsuits. Which in turn is why we see so many BS calls every week. It's not the refs, it's the league going overboard trying to make it flag football. GW is going to be the scapegoat but I hope he does get a chance to coach in the NFL again. Everyone deserves a 2nd chance.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I though GW went a little overboard with the ACL comments. But it is legal to hit someone on the knee. The stuff about Gore was just talk. I highly doubt any of the Saints players went head hunting cause the fines are way too severe. If a player is hurt and decides to go out on the field then it IS FAIR GAME. Romo had rib issues and D. Hall said he was going to hit him in the ribs. Sorry but that's football.

Goodell is just the owners bitch. He doesn't give a damn about the players. His loyalty is with the owners and that's why he's so obsessed about all the head injuries....cause of all the lawsuits. Which in turn is why we see so many BS calls every week. It's not the refs, it's the league going overboard trying to make it flag football. GW is going to be the scapegoat but I hope he does get a chance to coach in the NFL again. Everyone deserves a 2nd chance.

Well you know it was the NFLPA, not the owners, who were making player safety and concussion awareness such a key part of negotiations for a new CBA last year.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well you know it was the NFLPA, not the owners, who were making player safety and concussion awareness such a key part of negotiations for a new CBA last year.

Yes but Goodell and the front office are the enforcers. They're the ones handing down the ridiculous fines, suspensions and so on.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Yes but Goodell and the front office are the enforcers. They're the ones handing down the ridiculous fines, suspensions and so on.

They're enforcing it largely because the players themselves demanded it. Don't ask for player safety then cry when the commish enforces player safety

[mooby]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I though GW went a little overboard with the ACL comments. But it is legal to hit someone on the knee. The stuff about Gore was just talk. I highly doubt any of the Saints players went head hunting cause the fines are way too severe. If a player is hurt and decides to go out on the field then it IS FAIR GAME. Romo had rib issues and D. Hall said he was going to hit him in the ribs. Sorry but that's football.

Goodell is just the owners bitch. He doesn't give a damn about the players. His loyalty is with the owners and that's why he's so obsessed about all the head injuries....cause of all the lawsuits. Which in turn is why we see so many BS calls every week. It's not the refs, it's the league going overboard trying to make it flag football. GW is going to be the scapegoat but I hope he does get a chance to coach in the NFL again. Everyone deserves a 2nd chance.

By my count it would be his 4th chance. The Rog gave him multiple opportunities to shut it down and he didn't.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mooby

By my count it would be his 4th chance. The Rog gave him multiple opportunities to shut it down and he didn't.

Exactly.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by mooby

By my count it would be his 4th chance. The Rog gave him multiple opportunities to shut it down and he didn't.

I think he should be allowed to coach again once he serves his time away. Vick lied to Goodell and what he did was far worse IMO.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think he should be allowed to coach again once he serves his time away. Vick lied to Goodell and what he did was far worse IMO.

Pete Rose gambled on baseball and he was banned for life. Just sayin'.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think he should be allowed to coach again once he serves his time away. Vick lied to Goodell and what he did was far worse IMO.

I think what G.Will and Vick did are both heinous acts, but non-PETA loving people will never value dog's lives the same way they value people's, and for good reason. That's not to say G.Will was out trying to murder people, so don't take it that way, but the majority of people will saying intentionally trying to injure people > killing dogs. Besides, Goodell knew Vick was likely to serve time in prison, which is plenty of punishment in its' own right, and you know G.Will probably won't be spending time in any prison anytime soon.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by mooby

I think what G.Will and Vick did are both heinous acts, but non-PETA loving people will never value dog's lives the same way they value people's, and for good reason. That's not to say G.Will was out trying to murder people, so don't take it that way, but the majority of people will saying intentionally trying to injure people > killing dogs. Besides, Goodell knew Vick was likely to serve time in prison, which is plenty of punishment in its' own right, and you know G.Will probably won't be spending time in any prison anytime soon.

The other aspect is that this whole situation affected the game. GW wasn't off perpetrating crimes against humanity outside the game of football...he was breaking rules and inciting violence in direct contradiction to a key mission in the modern game (safety). From societal standpoint whether inciting violence against humans is worse than killing dogs is an unanswerable question, simply a value judgement really, but the fact that he was introducing the clearly questionable (to put it lightly) practices within the game makes it contextually far more heinous.

[Ruhskins]

As I've said this before, regardless of what people complain about, the NFL is changing and taking safety into consideration in their rules and policies, though I would argue in a flawed manner (ex: developing rules to protect players, yet still pushing for an 18-game season).

It amazes me that people want to dismiss this whole situation and sweep it under the rug. In the end, Gregg Williams F*CKED UP many times over. He f*cked up by starting this bounty program, and worst of all he f*cked up when his superiors and the league told him "STOP DOING THIS" and he didn't stop. I have nothing against GW as a person, but I would definitely understand it if he never coaches again. He has cost the Saints a lot, and he has pretty much killed his reputation. I'd be curious if any team would be willing to take a chance on him.