Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

You're right. Hankerson and Garcon are better than Gaffney. But the one thing Gaffney brings to the table is veteran experience. He might just be another receiver as you put it, but the guy has always been underrated. Jabar Gaffney isn't the best WR int he NFL by far, but when he's underestimated, he shows up to play.

Garcon > Gaffney
Hankerson > Gaffney
Morgan > Gaffney
Moss > Gaffney

So I have 4 players of the same position and I'm supposed to keep you for veteran experience? Hell no. Moss brings that same veteran experience and is a better player. Sorry Gaffney you're the odd man out. Especially if we draft a WR.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689;907149

Garcon > Gaffney
Hankerson > Gaffney
Morgan > Gaffney
Moss > Gaffney

So I have 4 players of the same position and I'm supposed to keep you for veteran experience? Hell no. Moss brings that same veteran experience and is a better player. Sorry Gaffney you're the odd man out. Especially if we draft a WR.

Garcon and Gaffney had similar statistics by the end of last season. Both caught a lot of passes and both had just under 1,000 yards receiving. Hankerson has talent and has potential, but we're still basing him off of what he did in college. He's still unproven in the NFL. Morgan is a great fill in receiver and we are already familiar with Santana Moss. Gaffney won't be the odd man out when it comes to roster cuts. Anthony Armstrong will likely be released by preseason's end.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Garcon > Gaffney
Hankerson > Gaffney
Morgan > Gaffney
Moss > Gaffney

So I have 4 players of the same position and I'm supposed to keep you for veteran experience? Hell no. Moss brings that same veteran experience and is a better player. Sorry Gaffney you're the odd man out. Especially if we draft a WR.

I'll say this: Kyle has a tendency to play his favored WR at the Z in base personnel, so that he's front side and able to run route combinations with the TE and off-set FB. Moss played the Z in base personnel in 2010, while Armstrong, Galloway, and Roydell Williams shared the X. Moss was targeted more than 140 times in 2010.

In 2011, Gaffney played the Z. That was right from the first game. There was no obvious reason to move Moss out of the role he played in 2010 unless they were trying to improve offensive efficiency. And if they were trying to improve offensive efficiency, then they obviously decided that the ball should go to Gaffney more in run-oriented downs than to Moss.

What we're effectively trying to replace here is the role that Donte Stallworth played last season. If the Redskins choose to cut Moss and switch Gaffney's position and make Gaffney the "slot" guy next year (despite no prior usage in that role in his career), there would be precedent for them doing that, having done the same thing with Moss a year ago. I think it's an easier move for Moss to simply sit more and play the role he did last year, when applicable.

[30gut]

PFF does a good breakdown of Tana in 2010 just adds some persepctive to the discussion Moss played 40% of his snaps from the slot:

2010 Snap Breakdown - Santana Moss | ProFootballFocus.com

For base personelle I could definetely see Moss at X and Garcon at Z.
Like GT said Moss did play a lot of X in base last year and under Zorn Moss was the X.
If Garcon is the the No.1 option and featured Z receiver and there is an open competition at the X I put my money on Tana.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 30gut

PFF does a good breakdown of Tana in 2010 just adds some persepctive to the discussion Moss played 40% of his snaps from the slot:

2010 Snap Breakdown - Santana Moss | ProFootballFocus.com

For base personelle I could definetely see Moss at X and Garcon at Z.
Like GT said Moss did play a lot of X in base last year and under Zorn Moss was the X.
If Garcon is the the No.1 option and featured Z receiver and there is an open competition at the X I put my money on Tana.

They have apparently already decided that Garcon will play the X. There will not be competition at that position.

Hankerson and Morgan are to fight it out at Z. That would imply that the other would play in 3 WR sets, but that's not necessarily a conclusion. They could keep Moss as the backup X and use him in their 3 WR package in the same role he was already in.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

They have apparently already decided that Garcon will play the X. There will not be competition at that position.

Hankerson and Morgan are to fight it out at Z. That would imply that the other would play in 3 WR sets, but that's not necessarily a conclusion. They could keep Moss as the backup X and use him in their 3 WR package in the same role he was already in.

Okay I thought Garcon was gonna be the Z well..If Garcon is the the No.1 option and featured X receiver and there is an open competition at the Z I put my money on Tana.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Okay I thought Garcon was gonna be the Z well..If Garcon is the the No.1 option and featured X receiver and there is an open competition at the Z I put my money on Tana.

I could see that if Hankerson never gets healthy, and Moss ends up taking his reps in a fair competition with Morgan.

I would still bet on Morgan though. It's ultimately going to be Kyle's decision, but Mike's a big fan of Morgan.

If Hankerson is healthy and ready to go through OTA's, it's all going to be moot anyway. He'll never come off the field.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I could see that if Hankerson never gets healthy, and Moss ends up taking his reps in a fair competition with Morgan.

I would still bet on Morgan though. It's ultimately going to be Kyle's decision, but Mike's a big fan of Morgan.

If Hankerson is healthy and ready to go through OTA's, it's all going to be moot anyway. He'll never come off the field.

This should make for an ultra competitive training camp for the WR corps that's for sure.
I consider whatever production we get form Hankerson as a bonus.

BTW, has it been reported where they're gonna play Garcon?
Because Garcon still seems like more of an Z then an X to me.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I could see that if Hankerson never gets healthy, and Moss ends up taking his reps in a fair competition with Morgan.

I would still bet on Morgan though. It's ultimately going to be Kyle's decision, but Mike's a big fan of Morgan.

If Hankerson is healthy and ready to go through OTA's, it's all going to be moot anyway. He'll never come off the field.

A rarity that I agree with everything you say here. Hankerson is the key to our WR position taking a big leap in production. Healthy, with a full offseason learning the offense and a full training camp he has potential to break out to be a 60 catch guy. If that happens it will open up vertical plays for Garçon and clear out underneath spaces for Morgan/Moss.