Make your Case for non-HOFer

[Leader In Sports]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. If 4% is too high of a figure for you then we're not even in the same ballpark. And again, only 267 players in the Hall out of god only knows how many guys that have come through the league??

I am not very good at math, but 4% of players make it to Canton? I would suggest the equation this way:

The number of players who have played in the NFL (in all it's forms) divided by the number of players enshrined in Canton. I doubt that would be 4% I doubt it would even be 1%.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Leader In Sports

I am not very good at math, but 4% of players make it to Canton? I would suggest the equation this way:

The number of players who have played in the NFL (in all it's forms) divided by the number of players enshrined in Canton. I doubt that would be 4% I doubt it would even be 1%.

Lol, you can't put it that way. Too many camp bodies, too many players without real careers.

[Leader In Sports]

Originally Posted by skinster

Lol, you can't put it that way. Too many camp bodies, too many players without real careers.

Actually, you can. To look at the pool of who the greats are, you have to look at everyone who actually played the game at that level (camp cuts are not considered to have played in the league).

You look at that large pool and then you figure who the greats are. Yes, many who aren't great play a year or two on special teams all the way up to the Tom Bradys of the league.

267 so far have been enshrined (based on the numbers someone else provided). I am willing to bet in the league's history, more than 250,000 people have played in a game. That makes Hall of Famers better than the top 1%.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Leader In Sports

Actually, you can. To look at the pool of who the greats are, you have to look at everyone who actually played the game at that level (camp cuts are not considered to have played in the league).

You look at that large pool and then you figure who the greats are. Yes, many who aren't great play a year or two on special teams all the way up to the Tom Bradys of the league.

267 so far have been enshrined (based on the numbers someone else provided). I am willing to bet in the league's history, more than 250,000 people have played in a game. That makes Hall of Famers better than the top 1%.

If you count everyone who has ever been paid to play in a game, its far less than 1%. That's a ridiculous concept though because where do you draw the line to make that percentage statement? You could say its anyone that has completed a full contract and gotten a second one. You could say its anyone who has ever started a game. You could say its anyone who has ever played football.

Any agreed upon percentage is also meaningless when determining greatness. What if I say the top 1% are great? What if I say the top 4% are great? how about the top 0.1%? What does that even mean? Numbers don't determine greatness, greatness determines the numbers; and whatever that number is, is what greatness is.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Leader In Sports

I am not very good at math, but 4% of players make it to Canton? I would suggest the equation this way:

The number of players who have played in the NFL (in all it's forms) divided by the number of players enshrined in Canton. I doubt that would be 4% I doubt it would even be 1%.

Not what I said.

I'm sure the % is far less than 4%.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. If 4% is too high of a figure for you then we're not even in the same ballpark. And again, only 267 players in the Hall out of god only knows how many guys that have come through the league??

Agree to disagree.

But on an unrelated note that I probably shouldn't say and I hope doesn't start a heated debate; the number 267 is a little misleading as there are many players who have already played their career who will be in the HOF that have not yet been inducted.

[MTK]

I've got a headache.

[SmootSmack]

Make your case for why this thread should still be open

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Make your case for why this thread should still be open

Because I enjoy feeling like I'm sitting in probabilities 101 instead of discussing my favorite team in a sport I enjoy watching?

[REDSKINS4ever]

Gary Clark deserves to be in the Hall Of Fame. I used to think that his number of receptions(699) is what is keeping him from out of the HOF. But Redskin great Charley Taylor has 649 career receptions. Taylor had less receiving yards but more TD catches(79).
Still, Michael Irvin has 750 receptions but has around 1100 more yards than Clark but he and Clark are tied for career TD receptions(65).

Gary Clark belongs in the Pro Football Hall Of Fame.

[Leader In Sports]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Gary Clark deserves to be in the Hall Of Fame. I used to think that his number of receptions(699) is what is keeping him from out of the HOF. But Redskin great Charley Taylor has 649 career receptions. Taylor had less receiving yards but more TD catches(79).
Still, Michael Irvin has 750 receptions but has around 1100 more yards than Clark but he and Clark are tied for career TD receptions(65).

Gary Clark belongs in the Pro Football Hall Of Fame.

I agree if you look at Clark alone, but it is flawed logic to compare someone from the 60's & 70's to someone in the "modern era".

Of course, there is such a back log of receivers with stats that Gary Clark might end up being in that Phil Simms, Stabler & Roman Gabriel category we talked about earlier. They all should be hall of famers, but there ends up being a cut somewhere.