Make your Case for non-HOFer

[Leader In Sports]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. If 4% is too high of a figure for you then we're not even in the same ballpark. And again, only 267 players in the Hall out of god only knows how many guys that have come through the league??

I am not very good at math, but 4% of players make it to Canton? I would suggest the equation this way:

The number of players who have played in the NFL (in all it's forms) divided by the number of players enshrined in Canton. I doubt that would be 4% I doubt it would even be 1%.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Leader In Sports

I am not very good at math, but 4% of players make it to Canton? I would suggest the equation this way:

The number of players who have played in the NFL (in all it's forms) divided by the number of players enshrined in Canton. I doubt that would be 4% I doubt it would even be 1%.

Lol, you can't put it that way. Too many camp bodies, too many players without real careers.

[Leader In Sports]

Originally Posted by skinster

Lol, you can't put it that way. Too many camp bodies, too many players without real careers.

Actually, you can. To look at the pool of who the greats are, you have to look at everyone who actually played the game at that level (camp cuts are not considered to have played in the league).

You look at that large pool and then you figure who the greats are. Yes, many who aren't great play a year or two on special teams all the way up to the Tom Bradys of the league.

267 so far have been enshrined (based on the numbers someone else provided). I am willing to bet in the league's history, more than 250,000 people have played in a game. That makes Hall of Famers better than the top 1%.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Leader In Sports

Actually, you can. To look at the pool of who the greats are, you have to look at everyone who actually played the game at that level (camp cuts are not considered to have played in the league).

You look at that large pool and then you figure who the greats are. Yes, many who aren't great play a year or two on special teams all the way up to the Tom Bradys of the league.

267 so far have been enshrined (based on the numbers someone else provided). I am willing to bet in the league's history, more than 250,000 people have played in a game. That makes Hall of Famers better than the top 1%.

If you count everyone who has ever been paid to play in a game, its far less than 1%. That's a ridiculous concept though because where do you draw the line to make that percentage statement? You could say its anyone that has completed a full contract and gotten a second one. You could say its anyone who has ever started a game. You could say its anyone who has ever played football.

Any agreed upon percentage is also meaningless when determining greatness. What if I say the top 1% are great? What if I say the top 4% are great? how about the top 0.1%? What does that even mean? Numbers don't determine greatness, greatness determines the numbers; and whatever that number is, is what greatness is.

[Leader In Sports]

Originally Posted by skinster

If you count everyone who has ever been paid to play in a game, its far less than 1%. That's a ridiculous concept though because where do you draw the line to make that percentage statement? You could say its anyone that has completed a full contract and gotten a second one. You could say its anyone who has ever started a game. You could say its anyone who has ever played football.

Any agreed upon percentage is also meaningless when determining greatness. What if I say the top 1% are great? What if I say the top 4% are great? how about the top 0.1%? What does that even mean? Numbers don't determine greatness, greatness determines the numbers; and whatever that number is, is what greatness is.

Your scholarship is great, but you are starting with flawed logic, not flawed math.

It is the professional football hall of fame. In actuality, it is the NFL Hall of Fame. That means you are looking at EVERYONE who played in the NFL and then selecting the greatest from that pool.

While I ain't no math major, I do realize to solve an equation, you must start with the correct formula.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Leader In Sports

Your scholarship is great, but you are starting with flawed logic, not flawed math.

It is the professional football hall of fame. In actuality, it is the NFL Hall of Fame. That means you are looking at EVERYONE who played in the NFL and then selecting the greatest from that pool.

While I ain't no math major, I do realize to solve an equation, you must start with the correct formula.

Lol, the obnoxious scholarship comment wasn't directed at you. My discussion with you is not about math (and I'm not a math major either, just had perfect math scores on sat, satII, and act, finished every high school math class by my sophomore year, and made alot of money very successfully tutoring math).

There's no equation when it comes to evaluating greatness. However many great players there are, is how many great players there are. The "percentage" is dictated by however many great players there are...the greatness of a player is not dictated by what "percentage" they fall in.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Leader In Sports

I am not very good at math, but 4% of players make it to Canton? I would suggest the equation this way:

The number of players who have played in the NFL (in all it's forms) divided by the number of players enshrined in Canton. I doubt that would be 4% I doubt it would even be 1%.

Not what I said.

I'm sure the % is far less than 4%.