2012 NFL Draft Day 3

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Sonny9TD

Not really. He is plenty fast.

Mathias Kiwanuka, DS #4 DE, Boston College
Selected: Round 1, Pick 32, Overall Pick 32 by Giants

Name: Mathias Kiwanuka
College: Boston College Number: 94
Height: 6-6 Weight: 266
Position: DE Pos2:
Class/Draft Year: Sr/2006
40 Time: 4.70 40 Low: 40 High:

he weighs 24 lbs more, is .09 faster... mario williams weighed 290 and ran a 4.7.

[Sonny9TD]

Originally Posted by That Guy

he weighs 24 lbs more, is .09 faster... mario williams weighed 290 and ran a 4.7.

That really has nothing to do with 4.7 being slow. I think we know that is plenty fast.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Sonny9TD

That really has nothing to do with 4.7 being slow. I think we know that is plenty fast.

first, he's not a 4.7 guy, he's a 4.8 guy, and second, 4.8 is pretty average. your proof that it wasn't was someone that was faster and heavier than him, which is pretty pointless.

I never said it wasn't fast enough, but it's NOT fast. you're welcome to disagree, but please don't tell me what i know or think.

thanks.

[Sonny9TD]

Originally Posted by That Guy

first, he's not a 4.7 guy, he's a 4.8 guy, and second, 4.8 is pretty average. your proof that it wasn't was someone that was faster and heavier than him, which is pretty pointless.

I never said it wasn't fast enough, but it's NOT fast. you're welcome to disagree, but please don't tell me what i know or think.

thanks.

You did say it wasn't fast enough. You said he was too slow. I sure didn't tell you what you think. But what you think is incorrect. He is not to slow. Below you see there really isn't that much difference so you're "being to slow" comment is incorrect. Your welcome.

Mathias Kiwanuka DE 6í5 255 Boston College
By: Robert Davis

NFL Combine Stats: 40-yard dash - 4.73

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Sonny9TD

You did say it wasn't fast enough. You said he was too slow. I sure didn't tell you what you think. But what you think is incorrect. He is not to slow. Below you see there really isn't that much difference so you're "being to slow" comment is incorrect. Your welcome.

Mathias Kiwanuka DE 6í5 255 Boston College
By: Robert Davis

NFL Combine Stats: 40-yard dash - 4.73

call me when you learn to read. i said it's slow for an olb, not "too slow". I never said "it wasn't fast enough". and please keep showing me people who weigh more and run faster as some sort of misguided proof of NOTHING relevant to your arguement. welcome to my ignore list.

[Sonny9TD]

Originally Posted by That Guy

call me when you learn to read. i said it's slow for an olb, not "too slow". I never said "it wasn't fast enough". and please keep showing me people who weigh more and run faster as some sort of misguided proof of NOTHING relevant to your arguement. welcome to my ignore list.

OK showing you a player who has proven to be plenty fast is not misguided proof. There are others. You just don't want to admit it. Below is some more misguided proof. Slow would be 4.9 or more. The point is he is not slow no matter how much you want him to be. But you can call him slow but don't say is slow like it is a fact. It is just your opinion. People who know more than us think he is fast and think it is his strength. Below is what the range for an OLB is and 4.9 or more is slow. Below shows that he is well within not being slow for an OLB. Read it. Absorb it. It's all quite relevant.


OLB

NFL Optimum 40 Yard Dash Time 4.50

NFL Minimum 40 Yard Dash Time 4.90

Zach Brown OLB 4.50 -- -- 33.50 116 --
Bruce Irvin OLB 4.50 6.70 4.03 33.50 123 23
Demario Davis OLB 4.61 7.19 4.28 38.50 124 32
Shea McClellin OLB 4.63 7.07 4.33 31.50 118 19
Nigel Bradham OLB 4.64 7.18 4.37 37.00 121 24
Lavonte David OLB 4.65 7.28 4.22 36.50 119 19
Ronnell Lewis OLB 4.68 7.09 4.00 31.00 112 36
Tank Carder OLB 4.69 6.89 4.18 34.50 121 19
Tahir Whitehead OLB 4.70 7.14 4.37 37.00 124 21
Sean Spence OLB 4.71 7.46 4.28 33.50 119 12
Tyler Nielsen OLB 4.74 7.27 4.31 -- -- 21
Darius Fleming OLB 4.77 7.03 4.28 33.50 114 27
Steven Johnson OLB 4.78 7.32 4.38 36.00 113 16
Nathan Stupar OLB 4.78 6.84 4.28 31.00 116 21
Keenan Robinson OLB 4.79 -- -- 35.50 120 27
Terrell Manning OLB 4.79 7.18 4.43 32.50 114 22
Brandon Marshall OLB 4.81 7.05 4.09 30.50 108 28
Kyle Wilber OLB 4.86 7.17 4.31 33.50 117 25
Chandler Jones OLB 4.87 7.07 4.38 35.00 120 22
Chris Galippo OLB 4.87 6.90 4.10 29.50 107 19
Travis Lewis OLB 4.88 -- -- 36.00 122 22
Brandon Lindsey OLB 4.93 7.36 4.28 33.00 117 23

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Sonny9TD

That really has nothing to do with 4.7 being slow. I think we know that is plenty fast.

Apparently he's good in coverage but I'm not sure if he'll make the team. I mean he could but I just don't see it. I'm getting the same vibe I got with Cody Glenn in 2009.

[imaskin4life]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Apparently he's good in coverage but I'm not sure if he'll make the team. I mean he could but I just don't see it. I'm getting the same vibe I got with Cody Glenn in 2009.

I definitely think he makes the team with an ageing Fletcher and given how thin we are at LB.