John Beck cut...signs with Texans

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

You don't have hindsight when you're in the war room. They liked Moss as a prospect and thought he was going to be something special from their scouting. That's why they took that risk on him. And just because Beck was a a top propsect out of the QBs doesn't mean that players at other positions had a higher grade than him. Plus, with Cutler, there was no pressing need to spend a pick that early on Beck.

All of that doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is Beck looked good until the ball was snapped. It was that way for him in Miami and in Washington. 0-7 as a starter is a very poor ré·su·mé to have. How many quarterbacks who are starters in the NFL or even back ups who started can say they have lost every game that they've started? I can think of the worst quarterbacks still on an NFL roster who have won at least one game. But John Beck can't make that claim. Hopefully for Beck he's not done yet. But I'm wondering who will bring him in for a tryout?

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

All of that doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is Beck looked good until the ball was snapped. It was that way for him in Miami and in Washington. 0-7 as a starter is a very poor ré·su·mé to have. How many quarterbacks who are starters in the NFL or even back ups who started can say they have lost every game that they've started? I can think of the worst quarterbacks still on an NFL roster who have won at least one game. But John Beck can't make that claim. Hopefully for Beck he's not done yet. But I'm wondering who will bring him in for a tryout?

You do a poor job of justifying this assertion, since your support points are about a completely different topic. Tell me how Cutler's presence make it not matter, how not having a crystal ball to avoid duds does not matter, and that other players might be ranked higher on the board(i.e Beck was the top prospect, but all of the prospects were ranked at position #90 or below).

Also, way to put yourself on a pedestal. I suppose that you can tell me who exactly from this year's draft is going to be the studs and who will be the duds with you have hindsight and no one else does.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

You do a poor job of justifying this assertion, since your support points are about a completely different topic. Tell me how Cutler's presence make it not matter, how not having a crystal ball to avoid duds does not matter, and that other players might be ranked higher on the board(i.e Beck was the top prospect, but all of the prospects were ranked at position #90 or below).

Also, way to put yourself on a pedestal. I suppose that you can tell me who exactly from this year's draft is going to be the studs and who will be the duds with you have hindsight and no one else does.

Cutler was already on Denver's team. But Shanahan supposedly liked Beck when he already had a quarterback. Still, if Beck was available, he should have taken him if he thought that highly of him. Jarvis Moss was a risky pick for Denver, but they selected him anyway and got burned for it. Shanahan's evaluation of talent is what eventually got him fired in Denver. This is the same guy who wasted a 3rd round pick on Maurice Clarette. I don't consider a QB taken in the 2nd round a top prospect. Top prospects are those picks taken near the top of any NFL draft or who are projected to be there near the top of a draft. I consider Eli Manning, Big Ben, and Phillip Rivers top prospects.

As I said, it doesn't truly matter because it's past tense and Cutler isn't even in Denver anymore and neither is Shanahan. What difference does it make in 2012? Does that justify enough assertion for you? And lastly, I don't agree with your claim that I place myself on some pedestal. How is that? As far as this year's draft, we can't truly grade the Redskins or the other 31 teams yet because we don't know which draft selections will pan out.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Cutler was already on Denver's team. But Shanahan supposedly liked Beck when he already had a quarterback. Still, if Beck was available, he should have taken him if he thought that highly of him. Jarvis Moss was a risky pick for Denver, but they selected him anyway and got burned for it. Shanahan's evaluation of talent is what eventually got him fired in Denver. This is the same guy who wasted a 3rd round pick on Maurice Clarette. I don't consider a QB taken in the 2nd round a top prospect. Top prospects are those picks taken near the top of any NFL draft or who are projected to be there near the top of a draft. I consider Eli Manning, Big Ben, and Phillip Rivers top prospects.

As I said, it doesn't truly matter because it's past tense and Cutler isn't even in Denver anymore and neither is Shanahan. What difference does it make in 2012? Does that justify enough assertion for you? And lastly, I don't agree with your claim that I place myself on some pedestal. How is that? As far as this year's draft, we can't truly grade the Redskins or the other 31 teams yet because we don't know which draft selections will pan out.

You asked a question, I gave an answer.

If Mike Shanahan really liked John Beck as much as he said he did back in 2007, why didn't he draft him?

So, I'll answer it again in even simpler terms: he valued Jarvis Moss more highly than John Beck. My previous answer gives more definition to what "valued" means, but that's the main point. Those three reasons provided in my previous answer, according to you, do not matter.

But since you do not care, why bother asking the question?

And your use of "it does matter" here is different. Now, it's the entire subject that does not matter instead of Cutler's presence, team needs, and Moss having higher value.

[CrustyRedskin]

as Brigham Young weeps.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

as Brigham Young weeps.

I think Steve Young can easily console him. lol

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

All of that doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is Beck looked good until the ball was snapped. It was that way for him in Miami and in Washington. 0-7 as a starter is a very poor ré·su·mé to have. How many quarterbacks who are starters in the NFL or even back ups who started can say they have lost every game that they've started? I can think of the worst quarterbacks still on an NFL roster who have won at least one game. But John Beck can't make that claim. Hopefully for Beck he's not done yet. But I'm wondering who will bring him in for a tryout?

Anne Hathaway looks very good until the ball is snapped. Maybe we should have drafted her.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Anne Hathaway looks very good until the ball is snapped. Maybe we should have drafted her.

I feel a strong urge to hijack this thread so I just wanted to say I agree. Even if she sucked at pro football (highly likely) she'd be way more enjoyable than watching John Beck.

[el.jeffe58]

Goodbye and good riddance John. Welcome to our new launchers. I'm excited. Good draft as far as I am concerned.

[el.jeffe58]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Anne Hathaway looks very good until the ball is snapped. Maybe we should have drafted her

Rooting for the Dallas Cowboys should be recognized as a treatable mental disorder.

As far as rooting for the Cowboys being an abnormal behavior or personality disorder, yes Lotus, great idea! LOL. I will do my best to have this added to the upcoming DSM-V (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) next edition, soon to be published. Too funny. p.s. +1 for Ms. Hathaway.