RGIII Named Starter

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

I'm completely with you pigskin, as long as this franchise prospers I don't care who the coach is, and I was trying to get mooby on board with this line of thinking. Unfortunately we haven't been winning under this regime, and people who base their position on the facts shouldn't be considered any less loyal then people who attach themselves to this coaching staff.

If you want to base things on facts, maybe we should start with the fact that the franchise has gone the route of switching coaching regimes every two or three years, and it has gotten them nowhere. If we continue to base things on fact, we see that there are no other coaches available, who want to come to Washington, that possesses the resume that Mike Shanahan possesses. If we want to, yet, continue to base things on facts, the fact is, Mike Shanahan stated from the very beginning that it would take him the length of his contract to rebuild this team the right way, and if Snyder was not interested in being patient, then don't hire him, (or something to that affect.) The fact is, Redskins fans are very impatient. Couple that with today's instant gratification that people have become accustomed to, and it makes for a lot of fans who would be dangerous if they were the owner of the Washington Redskins. I trust the current regime, as painful as it's been on Sundays, the Shannies will get this team back to where it needs to be. And if by the end of year five and that isn't true, then move on to the next regime.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

If you want to base things on facts, maybe we should start with the fact that the franchise has gone the route of switching coaching regimes every two or three years, and it has gotten them nowhere. If we continue to base things on fact, we see that there are no other coaches available, who want to come to Washington, that possesses the resume that Mike Shanahan possesses. If we want to, yet, continue to base things on facts, the fact is, Mike Shanahan stated from the very beginning that it would take him the length of his contract to rebuild this team the right way, and if Snyder was not interested in being patient, then don't hire him, (or something to that affect.) The fact is, Redskins fans are very impatient. Couple that with today's instant gratification that people have become accustomed to, and it makes for a lot of fans who would be dangerous if they were the owner of the Washington Redskins. I trust the current regime, as painful as it's been on Sundays, the Shannies will get this team back to where it needs to be. And if by the end of year five and that isn't true, then move on to the next regime.

IMO this man gets it.

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

If you want to base things on facts, maybe we should start with the fact that the franchise has gone the route of switching coaching regimes every two or three years, and it has gotten them nowhere. If we continue to base things on fact, we see that there are no other coaches available, who want to come to Washington, that possesses the resume that Mike Shanahan possesses. If we want to, yet, continue to base things on facts, the fact is, Mike Shanahan stated from the very beginning that it would take him the length of his contract to rebuild this team the right way, and if Snyder was not interested in being patient, then don't hire him, (or something to that affect.) The fact is, Redskins fans are very impatient. Couple that with today's instant gratification that people have become accustomed to, and it makes for a lot of fans who would be dangerous if they were the owner of the Washington Redskins. I trust the current regime, as painful as it's been on Sundays, the Shannies will get this team back to where it needs to be. And if by the end of year five and that isn't true, then move on to the next regime.

Yes. I agree the franchise has changed coaching staffs far to frequently for my liking too, but the fact that Shanahan's overall record of wins, and losses is worse than those of his most recent predecessors must also be factored into the equation. I understand he said it will take a while to turn this franchise around, that is a fact, but whether he will turn this franchise around in that time period remains to be seen. If he does, and I hope he can, I'm all for it. However if he can't those words are hollow, the effort was fruitless, time was potentially waisted, and the point is moot. I'm not too high on resumes to begin with, but some of the winningest, and most innovative coaches in the league could be considered plucked from the ether, or given a head coaching shot when juxtaposed with a resume as extensive as Shanahans at this point in his career, and have remained with, and built their legacy through a single team. I'm glad that you trust the current regime and respect that you have an opinion on this topic, but based on what they've shown us up to this moment it seems slightly paradoxical, and I refuse to hold anyone to a lower standard if they are skeptical that this regime can deliver us from mediocrity based their production to date.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

Yes. I agree the franchise has changed coaching staffs far to frequently for my liking too, but the fact that Shanahan's overall record of wins, and losses is worse than those of his most recent predecessors must also be factored into the equation. I understand he said it will take a while to turn this franchise around, that is a fact, but whether he will turn this franchise around in that time period remains to be seen. If he does, and I hope he can, I'm all for it. However if he can't those words are hollow, the effort was fruitless, time was potentially waisted, and the point is moot. I'm not too high on resumes to begin with, but some of the winningest, and most innovative coaches in the league could be considered plucked from the ether, or given a head coaching shot when juxtaposed with a resume as extensive as Shanahans at this point in his career, and have remained with, and built their legacy through a single team. I'm glad that you trust the current regime and respect that you have an opinion on this topic, but based on what they've shown us up to this moment it seems slightly paradoxical, and I refuse to hold anyone to a lower standard if they are skeptical that this regime can deliver us from mediocrity based their production to date.

Provided, yes, the Shanahans haven't produced in the win column just yet. No doubt that's where we ultimately need to see improvement. I can go on into detail to justify being patient, but ultimately, when the 'skins don't even win half their games during the season, that patience runs thin. With that said, I do think MS has improved the talent of this team. The team has gotten younger, and keeps getting younger. He has three quality backs (assuming TH makes the team) in the back field, quality receivers, quality tight ends, what hopes to be a franchise elite QB, a pretty darn improved defense....etc...there are a lot of areas in which this team has improved. But anyways, like I said, I'm not going to go into details of justification, but other than to say I'd have to respectfully disagree that if Shanahan can't turn this club around in the five years, that it will all be wasted time. Consider this, the coaches that the 49ers had prior to Harbaugh could not produce wins on the field, but they were pretty good with bringing in and building talent on that team. Harbaugh comes in and nearly took them to the Super Bowl. But, a lot of his talent was already in place, the team just needed the right guy to manage that talent. If Shanahan turns out to not be the guy to turn this club around, it won't be because of his skills in finding the talent, it will be because he couldn't manage the players and use them to their strengths. But, being that he's being very successful at a few places prior to coming to Washington, I don't believe he would have a deficiency in that regard, yet might just simply run out of time when his contract ends.

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Provided, yes, the Shanahans haven't produced in the win column just yet. No doubt that's where we ultimately need to see improvement. I can go on into detail to justify being patient, but ultimately, when the 'skins don't even win half their games during the season, that patience runs thin. With that said, I do think MS has improved the talent of this team. The team has gotten younger, and keeps getting younger. He has three quality backs (assuming TH makes the team) in the back field, quality receivers, quality tight ends, what hopes to be a franchise elite QB, a pretty darn improved defense....etc...there are a lot of areas in which this team has improved. But anyways, like I said, I'm not going to go into details of justification, but other than to say I'd have to respectfully disagree that if Shanahan can't turn this club around in the five years, that it will all be wasted time. Consider this, the coaches that the 49ers had prior to Harbaugh could not produce wins on the field, but they were pretty good with bringing in and building talent on that team. Harbaugh comes in and nearly took them to the Super Bowl. But, a lot of his talent was already in place, the team just needed the right guy to manage that talent. If Shanahan turns out to not be the guy to turn this club around, it won't be because of his skills in finding the talent, it will be because he couldn't manage the players and use them to their strengths. But, being that he's being very successful at a few places prior to coming to Washington, I don't believe he would have a deficiency in that regard, yet might just simply run out of time when his contract ends.

Don't get me wrong man, I'm not saying Mike can't turn this around, and I would like nothing more than to see that happen. I'm just saying up to now he hasn't shown the necessary strides that would warrant him living out his contract. I think this season will be very telling. And your Harbaugh example is a good one. Harbaugh did a great job of tailoring his system to his players strengths. The same could be said of his brother, very similar paradigm for both of those guys. There are still a few questions in my mind as to whether the acquisitions we made this offseason will ultimately be what's best for the team in the long run, but we did hit a brick wall the day before free agency, and for being handcuffed with stolen cap space I believe they've tried to find the most cost effective talent to improve in the areas where they feel it's required. Our secondary could still use a few upgrades, but all in all I think they've done better this offseason in attempting to fill need, than they have in the past. We'll see how it goes.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

Yes. I agree the franchise has changed coaching staffs far to frequently for my liking too, but the fact that Shanahan's overall record of wins, and losses is worse than those of his most recent predecessors must also be factored into the equation. I understand he said it will take a while to turn this franchise around, that is a fact, but whether he will turn this franchise around in that time period remains to be seen. If he does, and I hope he can, I'm all for it. However if he can't those words are hollow, the effort was fruitless, time was potentially waisted, and the point is moot. I'm not too high on resumes to begin with, but some of the winningest, and most innovative coaches in the league could be considered plucked from the ether, or given a head coaching shot when juxtaposed with a resume as extensive as Shanahans at this point in his career, and have remained with, and built their legacy through a single team. I'm glad that you trust the current regime and respect that you have an opinion on this topic, but based on what they've shown us up to this moment it seems slightly paradoxical, and I refuse to hold anyone to a lower standard if they are skeptical that this regime can deliver us from mediocrity based their production to date.

Part of the "the game within the game of football" is being well-compensated for personnel mistakes. If we had grabbed a QB project in 2010 or 2011, which many have lamented about in the past but I'm sure no longer do, much to my chagrin because they never introspect about how bad those ADHD principles(or lack thereof) they hold are, THERE IS NO ROBERT GRIFFIN III ON THIS TEAM RIGHT NOW.

[ashvirtually]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

If you want to base things on facts, maybe we should start with the fact that the franchise has gone the route of switching coaching regimes every two or three years, and it has gotten them nowhere. If we continue to base things on fact, we see that there are no other coaches available, who want to come to Washington, that possesses the resume that Mike Shanahan possesses. If we want to, yet, continue to base things on facts, the fact is, Mike Shanahan stated from the very beginning that it would take him the length of his contract to rebuild this team the right way, and if Snyder was not interested in being patient, then don't hire him, (or something to that affect.) The fact is, Redskins fans are very impatient. Couple that with today's instant gratification that people have become accustomed to, and it makes for a lot of fans who would be dangerous if they were the owner of the Washington Redskins. I trust the current regime, as painful as it's been on Sundays, the Shannies will get this team back to where it needs to be. And if by the end of year five and that isn't true, then move on to the next regime.