2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Well, compared to the "Romney cut some kid's hair 40 years ago", it's a good argument!

Touché.


At least the hair cutting incident was accurate based on witness testimony, the birther stuff isn't based off anything but wild conjecture.

[12thMan]

GM, she's the Sally Jenkins of the NYT. Big Hillary supporter, professional complainer.

[12thMan]

The Op was garbage and I'm not saying that just because I support the president. Nearly half of the article was spent promoting a soon to be released book trashing Obama dating back to his college years and time as a community organizer. How that is relevant in terms the past 3.5 years is beyond me.

Secondly, your timeline is off. The president did focus on jobs first. The Recovery Act, so called stimulus, was his first and major piece of economic legislation passed in Jan/09. It was nearly a year later when healthcare was passed. Nearly forty percent of the stimulus contained tax cuts to small businesses and 95% percent of Americans. CBO estimates that north of 5 million jobs can be attributed to the stimulus. Although it's hard to pin point an exact number.

Third, with the exception of Chief of Staff, I'm not sure what positions have been rotating at an alarming rate. On the foreign policy side, he it's been an even rotation and I would hardly call Bob Gates, Hillary Clinton, and Leon Panetta idiots. On the domestic side -- same Sec. Treasury since day one, Sec. of Labor, and Sec. of Transportation, Same AG, et al. Yes, they've burned through 3 Chief of Staffs, that's a lot in 3 years..although Rahm resigned to run for Mayor.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Secondly, your timeline is off. The president did focus on jobs first. The Recovery Act, so called stimulus, was his first and major piece of economic legislation passed in Jan/09. It was nearly a year later when healthcare was passed. Nearly forty percent of the stimulus contained tax cuts to small businesses and 95% percent of Americans. CBO estimates that north of 5 million jobs can be attributed to the stimulus. Although it's hard to pin point an exact number.

Third, with the exception of Chief of Staff, I'm not sure what positions have been rotating at an alarming rate. On the foreign policy side, he it's been an even rotation and I would hardly call Bob Gates, Hillary Clinton, and Leon Panetta idiots. On the domestic side -- same Sec. Treasury since day one, Sec. of Labor, and Sec. of Transportation, Same AG, et al. Yes, they've burned through 3 Chief of Staffs, that's a lot in 3 years..although Rahm resigned to run for Mayor.

Maybe I should say, he didn't focus enough on the economy, especially when that was the biggest issue that needed to be deal with. Putting down legislation that would criminalize actions like we saw from Wall Street (and continue to see) would have been a great start and possibly tighter restrictions on loans given to them. In a perfect world, people wouldn't need their hand held, but we've seen greed become the common denominator here that requires the hand holding as to prevent our economy from doing another nose dive. Cut spending, close tax loopholes for rich and corporations, etc.....many other things needed before his Health Care Bill.

I should have clarified the "idiots' he's surrounding himself with. I wasn't referring to his whole staff. The point is, he has failed big time on the economy which is the single most important issue at hand here. Not Iran, not Afghan, not Iraq, but the economy.


I understand he needs help, and he has gotten exactly 0 help from the GOP crew. It's like those assholes are deliberately sabotaging him just so they can say LOOOK SEE!! HE"S BAD!! All the while they are the true culprits behind this.

Is there anyway we can split up our country into the GOP/Liberals? I'd be willing to move just to watch those idiots drive themselves into the ground spending all their money on military all the while their middle class gets snuffed out and basically end up slaves.

[12thMan]

Look, I've pretty much resigned myself the reality that Congress is what it is. The voters will and should hold the president accountable on November 6 regardless of the clear obstructionism we've witnessed over the past 3.5 years. I'm not here to make any excuses for Obama. He's a big boy, he signed up for this job, and he needs to put in more work to make this shit right. Period. Voters reward results, not good intentions.

That said, let's see where the economy is come November before we start pronouncing failure.

[NC_Skins]

Money Men: The Powerful and the Secret Names Behind Campaign Dough | Power Players - Yahoo! News

Your country is bought and paid for.



12th man. I don't need to wait till November. As long as money is guiding our politics, it'll continue to be a failure. It's time we get corporate america out of our goverment as well as the religious nuts.

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What Obama isn’t telling us | Power Players - Yahoo! News

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The bad news....

President Obama: The Biggest Government Spender In World History - Forbes



..the good news. Overall debt is going down.

U.S. debt load falling at fastest pace since 1950s - Yahoo! Finance

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

The bad news....

President Obama: The Biggest Government Spender In World History - Forbes



..the good news. Overall debt is going down.

U.S. debt load falling at fastest pace since 1950s - Yahoo! Finance

That's counting private debt. Meanwhile the federal debt continues to go up. link

[NC_Skins]

Mitt Romney really liked the sandwich computer at Wawa | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

But more than anything, Romney seemed blown away by the Wawa computers, which he raved about.

"You press a little touchtone key pad… You touch this, touch this, touch this, go pay the cashier, and there's your sandwich," Romney said. "It's amazing!"

The article is seemingly harmless, but it shows something that's been a trend since he's started. The guy is so out of touch with reality and common people it's not even funny. They might as well have some big banking CEO running for president.











...and on the flip side.

New Obama policy will spare some from deportation - Yahoo! News

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Mitt Romney really liked the sandwich computer at Wawa | The Ticket - Yahoo! News




The article is seemingly harmless, but it shows something that's been a trend since he's started. The guy is so out of touch with reality and common people it's not even funny. They might as well have some big banking CEO running for president.











...and on the flip side.

New Obama policy will spare some from deportation - Yahoo! News

You left out what he was really saying about those computers.

It was a technology, he said, that had been fostered by competition—competition he said the federal government lacks in delivering its services to Americans. He said the government's lack of competition and bureaucracy was hurting the United States in keeping jobs that are moving to other countries.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

If that was the case then the elevator was installed prior the new laws requiring them to be wheel chair accessible. When new regulations are passed existings buildings get grandfathered unlass they do a major renovation. Seems like someone wanted a very expensive bill passed and he vetoed the unfair legislation.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

If that was the case then the elevator was installed prior the new laws requiring them to be wheel chair accessible. When new regulations are passed existings buildings get grandfathered unlass they do a major renovation. Seems like someone wanted a very expensive bill passed and he vetoed the unfair legislation.

Coming from a guy who had a elevator closed off to anybody but his own personal use is quite funny.

Romney remembered as CEO governor - CNN.com

"He had three security people around him, and you could never get to touch him or say hello," said state Rep. Frank Smizik, chairman of the House Committee on Global Warming and Climate Change. "He was very elitist."

On this reporter's unannounced visit to the Legislature, there was no shortage of Democratic lawmakers who complained about Romney's unprecedented move to block off one State House elevator specifically for the governor's office.

"He took over the elevator for the west wing of the building. He kept it only for his staff and him," Smizik said.

Listening in on Smizik's comments, another Democrat, state Rep. Ellen Story, said the elevator restrictions and security ropes installed outside Romney's office turned off some lawmakers for good.

"When Romney came in, he treated government like the only thing he ever knew, which was big business, and he was the CEO of the big business," Story said.

Why are you defending this douche bag? ...lol

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Look, I've pretty much resigned myself the reality that Congress is what it is. The voters will and should hold the president accountable on November 6 regardless of the clear obstructionism we've witnessed over the past 3.5 years. I'm not here to make any excuses for Obama. He's a big boy, he signed up for this job, and he needs to put in more work to make this shit right. Period. Voters reward results, not good intentions.

That said, let's see where the economy is come November before we start pronouncing failure.

Its been dems who have not voted along with Obama which has been his problem. His first two year the Dems had total control and he could not get them to vote on his bills but you guys blamed the GOP. You act like he is the first Pres. to have this problem and he is not. Bill Clinton had to work with the GOP and he managed to get bills passed by working with them unlike Obama. Also if I'm correct didn't all his financial advisors who work on the stimulas resign?