2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Yes, several factual inaccuracies.

Cutter: Obama's plan doesn't cut benefits. Lie.
Truth: Even factcheck agrees Obama's plan will reduce benefits for those on Medicare Advantage plans.

Cutter claims Romney's plan "takes away guaranteed benefits for seniors". Flat out lie.
Truth: Romney and Ryan have said several times, their plan doesn't affect anyone under 55.

Cutter: Obama's plan extends Medicare by 8 years.....straight BS. This is likely a wild distortion from the absurd claim that under Romney/Ryan Medicare is bankrupt by 2016 and under Obama's plan it doesn't bankrupt until 2024.
Truth: CBO and many others have stated the Medicare Trust Fund will be bankrupt under Obama's plan, best case by 2024, worst case by 2020. I don't know where the hell Cutter's claim of Medicare being bankrupt by 2016 comes from.

That's a start. While I'm answering stuff....whatever happened to the Obama junk-bond loans to bankrupt green energy companies response? Don't kill yourself on it, there is no response other than "galactically corrupt".

I'll take CBOs word over Politifact everyday of the week. And if you believe that it's true that Obama cut Medicare benefits to seniors, I can't have a Medicare debate with you. We can debate about other things, but this conversation is a non-starter.

It's not the patients that have benefits cut, it's the providers. Here's a link from CBS: That myth has been debunked by every major news outlet for the past week. Center, left and right -- they've all clarified and made the point clear.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57494197/romneys-$716b-medicare-cut-attack-is-dubious/

Another article in today's New York Times. Please read this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/op...pagewanted=all

It's also a fact, every independent study shows that Medicare's solvency has been increased by 8 years.

Again, I think because you want something to be true, then in your mind it's true. That's not how it works, Slingin'

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

This video is complete crap and nothing more than scare tactics targeted at seniors.
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Really, I mean really,someone from the right who thinks Glenn Beck is God has the balls to say this about the Dems???Sammy before any republican says this ,....they need a good long look in a mirror!

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Really, I mean really,someone from the right who thinks Glenn Beck is God has the balls to say this about the Dems???Sammy before any republican says this ,....they need a good long look in a mirror!

Never recall referencing Glenn Beck as God? I've got no problem looking in the mirror and refuting campaign garbage from the Obama camp. Perhaps you should have a bit more of an open mind and take a detailed look at the Romney/Ryan plan....but to each his own.

[RedskinRat]

And just when you thought this campaign was hitting the bottom, someone starts digging:

Toure accusing Romney of racism

“That really bothered me.” “You notice he said anger twice. He’s really trying to use racial coding and access some really deep stereotypes about the angry black man. This is part of the playbook against Obama, the ‘otherization,’ he’s not like us.”

“I know it’s a heavy thing, I don’t say it lightly, but this is ‘n*****ization,’” “You are not one of us, you are like the scary black man who we’ve been trained to fear.”

Dude, you're a race card-playing douche. GTFOOH!

[MTK]

Anyone else a little bothered by this?

Political campaign ad spending tops $500 million - First Read

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Anyone else a little bothered by this?

Political campaign ad spending tops $500 million - First Read

You can only play those ads so much before their ROI significantly diminishes. I am so glad I don't live in heavily contested states.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by saden1

You can only play those ads so much before their ROI significantly diminishes. I am so glad I don't live in heavily contested states.

I agree. I think we're reaching a point where most people are starting to tune out these ads.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I agree. I think we're reaching a point where most people are starting to tune out these ads.

I'm sure NoVA is getting hit as bad as we are down here....it's awful, there isn't a commerical break without multiple political ads on most channels.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I'm sure NoVA is getting hit as bad as we are down here....it's awful, there isn't a commerical break without multiple political ads on most channels.

I have barely seen any ads down here in Georgia though I can imagine why. A democrat hasn't won this state since Jimmy Carter in 1980. Still I can't help but feel the Romney campaign hasn't really been on the offensive. For example I've seen much more on Twitter from Obama then Romney. Time to stop playing rope a dope and punch back.

It's also kind of funny how the election to me has kind of become a sporting event. I won't freak out if Obama is reelected as it won't be nearly as bad as people will have you believe but personally just believe Romney has more potential to get things turned around. In the end though it's pretty fun to watch.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Anyone else a little bothered by this?

Political campaign ad spending tops $500 million - First Read

More than a little.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Anyone else a little bothered by this?

Political campaign ad spending tops $500 million - First Read

Obama raises $1 billion - New York Daily News

Obama, the first time a politician raised a billion dollars. Money in politics is insane. Forefathers rolling in their graves to see what this political system has become. disgusting to say the least.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Anyone else a little bothered by this?

Political campaign ad spending tops $500 million - First Read

I am. You self proclaimed millionares are running for President and the two of yous combined can only scrap together a measly $500 mil? Pathetic.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Anyone else a little bothered by this?

Political campaign ad spending tops $500 million - First Read

......yes, specially when you take into account that people aren't watching the ads.People have had enough,remotes are getting great workouts ,both sidea are bad and all this money could do for the greater good elsewhere.

[Giantone]

So ,Sammy is this a scare tactic?People need to watch the vidio!


Weekly Address: Congress Should Back Plan to Hire Teachers - YouTube#!

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Giantone

So ,Sammy is this a scare tactic?People need to watch the vidio!


Weekly Address: Congress Should Back Plan to Hire Teachers - YouTube#!

Our publice education system is a mess. We spend a ridiculous amount per child, yet are in the middle world-wide in performance. More federal programs and expansion of the DoEd isn't the answer. Reduce federal programs/requirements/regulations, send grants to states, allow title 1 dollars to attch to student not school.

Ask yourself this question, why do private schools educate their students better than public schools with less cost-per-student.