2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

no, gas is his problem. Big oil is everyone problem actually. They got this country by the balls, everyone from the politicians in DC, to the everyday man who depends on their returns, propping up their 401ks.

This country is swimming in energy, but only a few know it and less control it. Ignorance is in this country could be our biggest export. If only people took time to look.

The next economic boom could be in energy development, if only some allowed it.

Good point. Business oriented channels like CNBC and Fox Business often say things in the context of how it may affect your portfolio. So they may be saying Cheap Gas Isnt Good in terms of your short term portfolio returns.

[RedskinRat]

^ Nailed on FACT!

[Chico23231]

So its ok when the wealthy cheat on taxes, but its not ok 51% dont pay? Under the same logic, if the poor cheat on taxes, your good with that too? So if its a tax free for all, your good with fraud in medicare, welfare claims, and general social services, because thats just money politicians are hoarding and spending for their own gain? Its stealing from services that support our country!

If the story is true about the Bermurda money not claim, then thats flat out tax evasion. The Caymen island accounts is just so typical of a money whore rich american.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

So its ok when the wealthy cheat on taxes, but its not ok 51% dont pay? Under the same logic, if the poor cheat on taxes, your good with that too? So if its a tax free for all, your good with fraud in medicare, welfare claims, and general social services, because thats just money politicians are hoarding and spending for their own gain? Its stealing from services that support our country!

If the story is true about the Bermurda money not claim, then thats flat out tax evasion. The Caymen island accounts is just so typical of a money whore rich american.

From the Yahoo! link above i dont see any reference to fraud or tax evasion or doing something illegal? Is what Mitt did just publicly distasteful, or could this be truely construed as tax evasion?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

From the Yahoo! link above i dont see any reference to fraud or tax evasion or doing something illegal? Is what Mitt did just publicly distasteful, or could this be truely construed as tax evasion?

The United States is unlike other countries in that, with some exceptions, its citizens are subject to U.S. tax on their worldwide income no matter where in the world they reside. Although there are some offshore bank accounts that advertise as tax havens, U.S. law requires reporting of income from those accounts, and willful failure to do so constitutes tax evasion.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The United States is unlike other countries in that, with some exceptions, its citizens are subject to U.S. tax on their worldwide income no matter where in the world they reside. Although there are some offshore bank accounts that advertise as tax havens, U.S. law requires reporting of income from those accounts, and willful failure to do so constitutes tax evasion.

Once again he claimed this on his 2010 2011 tax return that the article linked to this subject.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

So its ok when the wealthy cheat on taxes, but its not ok 51% dont pay? Under the same logic, if the poor cheat on taxes, your good with that too? So if its a tax free for all, your good with fraud in medicare, welfare claims, and general social services, because thats just money politicians are hoarding and spending for their own gain? Its stealing from services that support our country!

If the story is true about the Bermurda money not claim, then thats flat out tax evasion. The Caymen island accounts is just so typical of a money whore rich american.

I agree with CR's post at # 134. The wealthy aren't "cheating" on their taxes, they're simply working within the rules set forth by gov't. That being said, those who don't pay any taxes committing fraud in fed programs are straight out stealing. They're taking something they haven't paid anything for.

The top 1% pay approximately % 40 or so of federal income taxes. This begs a larger question, why should the wealthy have to pay a higher % in tax than someone who's poor. Does a wealthy person use more of the federal highway system? Does the military protect the wealthy person more than the poor person from foreign aggression? Does the Medicare/SS serve the wealthy more than the poor person?

Let's not forget all the wealthy aren't just the "evil, rich, country club republicans". Many of the rich are Dems....but as long as they can influence members of Congress to protect their interests it makes sense to send a few thousand to Dems/libs. There are many areas where you will never have a R/con congressperson.

I'm not OK with Medicare, Welfare and other types of fraud, of course not it's against the law. If you've followed my posts over the years, I support FairTax, you can find info on it here: www.fairtax.org

FairTax will be revenue neutral, closes the tax loopholes used by the very rich and is a point-of-sale tax. Same rate for everyone, rich buy more they're taxed more.

[NC_Skins]

The Wall Street Journal: Romney's Tax Confusion - WSJ.com


Game. Set. Match?


I'm telling you. Obama needs to change his 2012 campaign slogan to this.


"Why try? It's Mitt Romney"

[saden1]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

The Wall Street Journal: Romney's Tax Confusion - WSJ.com


Game. Set. Match?


I'm telling you. Obama needs to change his 2012 campaign slogan to this.


"Why try? It's Mitt Romney"

LOL, it's not his fault he is rich but it will be his fault when he loses the election.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by saden1

LOL, it's not his fault he is rich but it will be his fault when he loses the election.

It will will be the whole GOP to blame ! I admit I am a registered repubican but I swear there is not one worth a damn anywhere in sight,I will vote Obama becuase he the less of 2 evils.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I agree with CR's post at # 134. The wealthy aren't "cheating" on their taxes, they're simply working within the rules set forth by gov't. That being said, those who don't pay any taxes committing fraud in fed programs are straight out stealing. They're taking something they haven't paid anything for.

The top 1% pay approximately % 40 or so of federal income taxes. This begs a larger question, why should the wealthy have to pay a higher % in tax than someone who's poor. Does a wealthy person use more of the federal highway system? Does the military protect the wealthy person more than the poor person from foreign aggression? Does the Medicare/SS serve the wealthy more than the poor person?

Let's not forget all the wealthy aren't just the "evil, rich, country club republicans". Many of the rich are Dems....but as long as they can influence members of Congress to protect their interests it makes sense to send a few thousand to Dems/libs. There are many areas where you will never have a R/con congressperson.

I'm not OK with Medicare, Welfare and other types of fraud, of course not it's against the law. If you've followed my posts over the years, I support FairTax, you can find info on it here: www.fairtax.org

FairTax will be revenue neutral, closes the tax loopholes used by the very rich and is a point-of-sale tax. Same rate for everyone, rich buy more they're taxed more.

i def dont agree with CR 134 post, and FairTax i dont know enough about, ill read up. Most of what I have heard about Fairtax has been vastly inconsistent. Our tax codes and rules are out dated and need addressing asap. I agree with Paul Ryan when he said "cutting federal spending is the perfect time to look at Tax reform" or something along those lines. He's exactly right. I just have zero faith in our congress.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

i def dont agree with CR 134 post, and FairTax i dont know enough about, ill read up. Most of what I have heard about Fairtax has been vastly inconsistent. Our tax codes and rules are out dated and need addressing asap. I agree with Paul Ryan when he said "cutting federal spending is the perfect time to look at Tax reform" or something along those lines. He's exactly right. I just have zero faith in our congress.

Agree 100% with you on bolded.

[NC_Skins]

Romney on jobs report: ‘This kick in the gut has got to end’ | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

"It doesn't have to be this way," Romney declared. "I will offer a different course, a better path."

Which is? Has he even came up with a plan instead of his vague general talk of how his path is better, yet doesn't offer a plan?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

If the story is true about the Bermurda money not claim, then thats flat out tax evasion. The Caymen island accounts is just so typical of a money whore rich american.

Let's say you're a successful businessman, you worked your hind-quarters off in school, took the risk of funding your own college, worked 50+ hour weeks for 20+ years and now are doing well. Not mega-rich, but say $ 1M yr. or so income. You're already paying a much higher tax rate than most everyone else and you're subject to the estate tax when you pass away, why would you not do everything you could to protect your hard earned assests for yourself and your family (think future generations)? Why would you pay more to the gov't who will simply take your money and do whatever it wants with it? It could be used to fund Planned Parenthood, it could be used for a new weapon system, it could go to a social program, it doesn't matter where the $$$ goes it's not going to help you and your family.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

So its ok when the wealthy cheat on taxes, but its not ok 51% dont pay? Under the same logic, if the poor cheat on taxes, your good with that too? So if its a tax free for all, your good with fraud in medicare, welfare claims, and general social services, because thats just money politicians are hoarding and spending for their own gain? Its stealing from services that support our country!

If the story is true about the Bermurda money not claim, then thats flat out tax evasion. The Caymen island accounts is just so typical of a money whore rich american.

Hello your own link said it was found on his 2010 to 2011 tax return. Actually it Was NC's link from the post he started on this.