Better Rookie Season Stats Griffin or Luck?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I fail to see how you can say their running game is on par with ours, that their offensive line is better,

Pretty simple our running games was 25th w/4.0 ypc theirs was 26th w/4.2 ypc hence on par.
Lead backs: (them) Donald Brown 645 yds 4.8 ypc/Roy Helu 640 yds 4.2 ypc

I showed the stats behind my opinion of our respective OLs coupled with the fact that they're adding a starters at OG/OT.

...and you're still on that Cam Newton was the best qb prospect you ever saw huh?

Funny how I've never said the above nor is the above topic brought up in this thread.

However this question, which is stated is:
What type of rookie season production does Luck need to justify the 'best prospect since' hype? (60.0%--4,051yds--7.8ypa--21 TDs--17 Ints--84.5 Rating +706 rush yds--14 rush TDs)

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Pretty simple our running games was 25th w/4.0 ypc theirs was 26th w/4.2 ypc hence on par.
Lead backs: (them) Donald Brown 645 yds 4.8 ypc/Roy Helu 640 yds 4.2 ypc

I showed the stats behind my opinion of our respective OLs coupled with the fact that they're adding a starters at OG/OT.

Funny how I've never said the above nor is the above topic brought up in this thread.

However this question, which is stated is:
What type of rookie season production does Luck need to justify the 'best prospect since' hype? (60.0%--4,051yds--7.8ypa--21 TDs--17 Ints--84.5 Rating +706 rush yds--14 rush TDs)

Just to tickle my fancy, whose stats are those you posted? It's not Albert Pujos. Yeah not buying the lineman or running game being equal or theirs being better.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Just to tickle my fancy, whose stats are those you posted? It's not Albert Pujos. Yeah not buying the lineman or running game being equal or theirs being better.

We'll i guess stating 'not buying...(whatever)' as opposed to an actual dialogue of reasons, facts or stats equates to having a discussion in your book.

The stats posted in the question are from Cam Newton's rookie season.
They represent the best rookie season QB stats to date, if some other QB posted better rookie season numbers then those would have been included in the question as a benchmark.

I've answered your question, are you gonna respond to my actual question?
(or keep trying to misrepresent or re-characterize my question which appears below)

What type of rookie season production does Luck need to justify the 'best prospect since' hype? (60.0%--4,051yds--7.8ypa--21 TDs--17 Ints--84.5 Rating +706 rush yds--14 rush TDs)

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Just to tickle my fancy, whose stats are those you posted? It's not Albert Pujos. Yeah not buying the lineman or running game being equal or theirs being better.

Haha, football debates are mostly about "maybe this, maybe that" because conclusive evidence is so hard to come by.

It is reckless to make absolute statements about OL play because the stats don't do justice in showing what is occuring on the field. Many confounding variables need to be considered before making the final conclusion. If that does not occur, then questioning the conclusion is to be expected due to demand for better evidence.

It's like having boob size measurements but you don't get to see the rest of the girl's body. If she's fat as hell, well, too bad. lol

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Pretty simple our running games was 25th w/4.0 ypc theirs was 26th w/4.2 ypc hence on par.
Lead backs: (them) Donald Brown 645 yds 4.8 ypc/Roy Helu 640 yds 4.2 ypc

I showed the stats behind my opinion of our respective OLs coupled with the fact that they're adding a starters at OG/OT.

Funny how I've never said the above nor is the above topic brought up in this thread.

However this question, which is stated is:
What type of rookie season production does Luck need to justify the 'best prospect since' hype? (60.0%--4,051yds--7.8ypa--21 TDs--17 Ints--84.5 Rating +706 rush yds--14 rush TDs)

Well reasoned and convincing; however, Shanny still has to be given the benefit of the doubt can put together a serious rushing attack, and probably gives us the edge on that one. The bigger question is whether we'll (finally) see his offense (what I want) instead of Kyle's past first, second and third offense (bit o sarcasm). Anybody who says we've had a balanced attack isn't paying attention...hopefully this is the year.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Well reasoned and convincing; however, Shanny still has to be given the benefit of the doubt can put together a serious rushing attack, and probably gives us the edge on that one.

Oh, I agree:

Originally Posted by me

Running game: Push
I give us the slight edge because of scheme...

Originally Posted by Goat

The bigger question is whether we'll (finally) see his offense (what I want) instead of Kyle's past first, second and third offense (bit o sarcasm). Anybody who says we've had a balanced attack isn't paying attention...hopefully this is the year.

I also favor a more traditional Mike Shanahan Denver WCO or a run balanced version of the Texans offense.
And you're right about Kyle's pass focus, however; its a quibble over style.

My gripe about Kyle's pass first nature wasn't due to style but of function.
I didn't believe we had the pieces at QB/WR to execute a functional pass heavy offense and the results support this thought.
But, the additions at WR and our main man Griffin finally give Kyle the pieces to produce a functional pass 1st offense.
I don't expect Kyle to become more balanced now that he has weapons.
My guess is that Griffin attempts somewhere in the ballpark of 550 passes this year.