Better Rookie Season Stats Griffin or Luck?

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Sure the Colts lost some pieces but they've also retained and added some pieces.
Lets not forget they retained their best WR in Reggie Wayne a true #1 WR.
They also have Austin Collie returning who had more catches then our #2 and 3 WRs.
They also return their leading rusher in Donald Brown.
Yes, the Colts lost Jacob Tamme and aging/injured Dallas Clark but one could argue that drafting the 2 best TE prospects is an upgrade at that position.
(especially considering the built in chemistry between Fleener and Luck)
The also added Samson Satele at Center, Winston Justice OG/OL and return 2nd round OG/OT Ben Ijalana from injury.
Imo when you really look at the Colts additions and subtractions the only area where they lost without a replacement is Piere Garcon.

At the very least, I suspect small sample size might be overstating Donald Brown's "prowess" measure used here, which is YPC. One 80 yard run is the difference between him being a 4.2 YPC guy and a 4.8 YPC guy.

Wayne is definitely more established than any of our guys.
Collie is questionable, because he got targets, but he didn't get a lot of yards.
Justice is also questionable. Yes, he's better than what he was earlier in his career, but is he really even that good still?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

At the very least, I suspect small sample size might be overstating Donald Brown's "prowess" measure used here, which is YPC. One 80 yard run is the difference between him being a 4.2 YPC guy and a 4.8 YPC guy.

To be clear where have I touted Brown's 'prowess' or used his YPC to suggest something about his ability?

My point was that the Colts running game is on par with our own and posted the stats of both lead backs.
The same sample size and YPC issues that you ding Brown on are equally true for our own backs (Helu and Royster).

I don't see how these statistical quibbles makes the Colts running game inferior to our own, which seems to be your suggestion?

Wayne is definitely more established than any of our guys.
Collie is questionable, because he got targets, but he didn't get a lot of yards.
Justice is also questionable. es, he's better than what he was earlier in his career, but is he really even that good still?

Sure Collie is questionable but by the same token so are Morgan and Hankerson.
They're all complimentary players.
But the Colts have a true #1 WR and a couple good TEs throw in some complimentary WRs (Collie, Hilton?) its a good enough unit to field a producitve passing offense.
Its not unlike the pieces/forumula of the Patriots and Panthers passing offenses.
The point is the Colts passing game isn't as talented depleted as people suggest.

Sure Justice is questionable but again if we're being objective Lichtensteiger and Jammal Brown would certainly be questionable as well.
And Justice was the least of their OL additions/improvements.

If we're going take a critical look at their talent then we should also be objective about our own talent.