Nick Hanauer - Job Creator Myth

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Its only a stupid decision if you do not learn from your mistake.

Dodging like a mofo. Since you didn't disagree with that assessment that the poor people pay for the rich people's mistakes, that kind of nullifies your gripe about poor people.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Dodging like a mofo. Since you didn't disagree with that assessment that the poor people pay for the rich people's mistakes, that kind of nullifies your gripe about poor people.

Well 50% of Americans (mainly the poor) don't pay federal taxes so how did they help bail out the rich. I don't have a gripe with the poor I was just stating the truth.

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Originally Posted by firstdown

I'd say my bottom 20% of low income customers have more trafic violations then the other 80% of customers.

Question, how exactly do you know what they make? My insurance agent or company has no clue what I make, nor is it any of their business. So how are you making claims like this to begin with?

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well 50% of Americans (mainly the poor) don't pay federal taxes so how did they help bail out the rich. I don't have a gripe with the poor I was just stating the truth.

I hate to break the bad news to you bro, but the middle class are poor now. That's right. The gap between the ultra rich and the middle class opened up tremendously over the past 20 years due in part to crooked politicians taking bribes(aka..campaign donations). Even so, got any numbers to support that statement?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins;918616[B

]Question, how exactly do you know what they make?[/B] My insurance agent or company has no clue what I make, nor is it any of their business. So how are you making claims like this to begin with?




I hate to break the bad news to you bro, but the middle class are poor now. That's right. The gap between the ultra rich and the middle class opened up tremendously over the past 20 years due in part to crooked politicians taking bribes(aka..campaign donations). Even so, got any numbers to support that statement?

A good insurance agent knows his clients and what types of protection they need to protect their assets and personal belongings. Anyone can write a auto or home owners policy but understanding clients other needs take asking questions. Some of my customers don't want to take a review but 90% do so I know what they make for a living.

As far as the middle class now the poor that's just plan old stupid. I'm middle class and I'm far from being poor. A simple search you will find thounsands of articles talking about the 47% that pay no taxes. So I here is a clip from CNN which is no right wing news outlet.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Most people think they pay too much to Uncle Sam, but for some people it simply is not true.
In 2009, roughly 47% of households, or 71 million, will not owe any federal income tax, according to estimates by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.
Some in that group will even get additional money from the government because they qualify for refundable tax breaks.
The ranks of those whose major federal tax burdens net out at zero -- or less -- is on the rise. The center's original 2009 estimate was 38%. That was before enactment in February of the $787 billion economic recovery package, which included a host of new or expanded tax breaks.

47% of households owe no tax - and their ranks are growing - Sep. 30, 2009

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Originally Posted by firstdown

As far as the middle class now the poor that's just plan old stupid. I'm middle class and I'm far from being poor. A simple search you will find thounsands of articles talking about the 47% that pay no taxes. So I here is a clip from CNN which is no right wing news outlet.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Most people think they pay too much to Uncle Sam, but for some people it simply is not true.
In 2009, roughly 47% of households, or 71 million, will not owe any federal income tax, according to estimates by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.
Some in that group will even get additional money from the government because they qualify for refundable tax breaks.
The ranks of those whose major federal tax burdens net out at zero -- or less -- is on the rise. The center's original 2009 estimate was 38%. That was before enactment in February of the $787 billion economic recovery package, which included a host of new or expanded tax breaks.

47% of households owe no tax - and their ranks are growing - Sep. 30, 2009

1) That article was 3 years ago.
2) They are referring to households. (aka..married couples and families)

47% of the households making less than 50K have 0 liability. That's a far different claim than saying 50% of the American people aren't paying federal taxes.


Just curious, but how do you suggest a family of four or five to live off below 50K per year?

Food, rent, car, insurance, clothes, school supplies, college tuition, retirement, gas,...and so on and so on.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

1) That article was 3 years ago.
2) They are referring to households. (aka..married couples and families)

47% of the households making less than 50K have 0 liability. That's a far different claim than saying 50% of the American people aren't paying federal taxes.


Just curious, but how do you suggest a family of four or five to live off below 50K per year?

Food, rent, car, insurance, clothes, school supplies, college tuition, retirement, gas,...and so on and so on.

Sorry the number is still the same in 2011.

TPC Tax Topics | Who Doesn't Pay Federal Taxes?


As far as living off 50K per year that would not be very hard in our area. In the 80's when I was a single father trying to get my career started I made maybe $13,000 per year and made ends meet.

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Sorry the number is still the same in 2011.

TPC Tax Topics | Who Doesn't Pay Federal Taxes?


As far as living off 50K per year that would not be very hard in our area. In the 80's when I was a single father trying to get my career started I made maybe $13,000 per year and made ends meet.

Again, Households. HOUSEHOLDS. FAMILIES. What you said and what you are showing are two different things. The notion that a family of four or five living off of LESS than 50k a year after the stuff I mentioned isn't believable. Maybe if you live in a run down rat hole, and roll through it without insurance.


Also, calling shens on you supporting a family off of 13K, even during the 80s.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by firstdown

.............when I was a single father trying to get my career started I made maybe $13,000 per year and made ends meet.

Living in a van, down by the river?

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Sorry the number is still the same in 2011.

TPC Tax Topics | Who Doesn't Pay Federal Taxes?

Did you even bother to find out who that 47% you keep talking about?

• More than half are elderly

• one-third are nonelderly with income under $20,000

• Only about 1 in 20 is nonelderly with income over $20,000

But...the rich elite (not say you are) keep pointing and saying LOOK THESE GUYS AREN"T PAYING TAXES!!

Yeah, let's tax a person who can't even afford to support themselves on less than 20k. That's very smart.