Nick Hanauer - Job Creator Myth

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Just one small example. I guess he does not count the thousands and thousands of jobs it takes to build and support a rich mans toys.



The rich do not create all the jobs but they sure do create a punch of jobs.

Now let me address this crap that is constantly spewed. Oh, if the rich people didn't buy all these high priced toys, there would be a lot of people out of a job. Really?

Northern Marine (yatch builder) This is their work force. Look at ALL those jobs...lol


Lazzaro Yatchs. 250 employees
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We can't even count Bentley, Lamborghini, Ferrari, or Lotus because they are all jobs overseas. Even then, they still employ very small numbers in the grand scheme of things.


So exactly where are all these jobs that are created by rich people buying these "toys" you speak of?


Let me ask you a question FD. Which would help the economy out more. Giving one person 1 billion dollars, or giving one million people 1,000 each? Which do you think would produce more spending?



Speaking of cars. I suggest you see how many cars are bought by the middle class and how many cars are bought by the rich elite.

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[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Now let me address this crap that is constantly spewed. Oh, if the rich people didn't buy all these high priced toys, there would be a lot of people out of a job. Really?

Northern Marine (yatch builder) This is their work force. Look at ALL those jobs...lol


Lazzaro Yatchs. 250 employees
Lazzara Yacht Corporation - Company Profile by Insideview


We can't even count Bentley, Lamborghini, Ferrari, or Lotus because they are all jobs overseas. Even then, they still employ very small numbers in the grand scheme of things.


So exactly where are all these jobs that are created by rich people buying these "toys" you speak of?


Let me ask you a question FD. Which would help the economy out more. Giving one person 1 billion dollars, or giving one million people 1,000 each? Which do you think would produce more spending?



Speaking of cars. I suggest you see how many cars are bought by the middle class and how many cars are bought by the rich elite.

Auto Sales - Markets Data Center - WSJ.com

That's pretty narrow minded thinking only 250 people build those boats. Who builds the motors, electronics, the interior stuff, like toilets, showers, pumps, fittings, etc, etc.... How much of the work is sub contractors and how many people do they employ. Also those are not new boats in that ship yard. Oh, who built that building, paved that surface, ran electrical, plumbing in that building.

I have only scratched the surface of the employees it takes to make those boats float down the river.

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Originally Posted by firstdown

That's pretty narrow minded thinking only 250 people build those boats. Who builds the motors, electronics, the interior stuff, like toilets, showers, pumps, fittings, etc, etc.... How much of the work is sub contractors and how many people do they employ. Also those are not new boats in that ship yard. Oh, who built that building, paved that surface, ran electrical, plumbing in that building.

I have only scratched the surface of the employees it takes to make those boats float down the river.

Yeah, and how many of these boats are made per year? Not many, which means the demand for those other parts are VERY low as well. So again, lets not act like the rich create a lot of jobs. They don't.

Also, you have still yet to answer my question, which no doubt you ignored on purpose.

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Yeah, and how many of these boats are made per year? Not many, which means the demand for those other parts are VERY low as well. So again, lets not act like the rich create a lot of jobs. They don't.

Also, you have still yet to answer my question, which no doubt you ignored on purpose.

You have never owned a boat I can see. My point was not how many jobs the rich created with their toys it was that Nick Hanauer said the rich do not creat jobs and they do. As for your question I'd say probably giving the thousand to a million people but again your changing my original point I was making.

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Originally Posted by firstdown

You have never owned a boat I can see. My point was not how many jobs the rich created with their toys it was that Nick Hanauer said the rich do not creat jobs and they do. As for your question I'd say probably giving the thousand to a million people but again your changing my original point I was making.

Then you are changing Hanauer's overall point that the rich don't really create jobs. Aside a few jobs here and there to make their "toys", they really don't create jack shit in the grand scheme of it all and you know this so stop spouting such garbage. The overall idea from the conservative crew is that if you give the rich people all the money, they'll create jobs. It hasn't worked since Regan fooled people into believing this and it'll NEVER work because they are keeping the money for themselves. Just so we are clear, you in fact agreed that the economy would be better spent by spreading that money around as opposed to letting one man horde it all.


Yes my family has owned boats and sailboats all of our lives. Skiing, fishing, scuba diving. I live right off the coast of NC bro. It's what we do.

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Then you are changing Hanauer's overall point that the rich don't really create jobs. Aside a few jobs here and there to make their "toys", they really don't create jack shit in the grand scheme of it all and you know this so stop spouting such garbage. The overall idea from the conservative crew is that if you give the rich people all the money, they'll create jobs. It hasn't worked since Regan fooled people into believing this and it'll NEVER work because they are keeping the money for themselves. Just so we are clear, you in fact agreed that the economy would be better spent by spreading that money around as opposed to letting one man horde it all.


Yes my family has owned boats and sailboats all of our lives. Skiing, fishing, scuba diving. I live right off the coast of NC bro. It's what we do.

So you want socialism? So my rich friend (your words) with 89 employess does not create jobs? My buddy who owns a orthopaedic physical therapy and sports medicine business with around 25 employees does not create jobs? Thanks I'll let them know.

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Originally Posted by firstdown

So you want socialism? So my rich friend (your words) with 89 employess does not create jobs? My buddy who owns a orthopaedic physical therapy and sports medicine business with around 25 employees does not create jobs? Thanks I'll let them know.

No, I don't socialism, but I don't want very few people owning all the wealth, which is exactly what is happening.


Your buddy doesn't employee those people by himself and for himself. His business employees those people. Does he take all that money he gets with his tax breaks and hire people to do random stuff or create extra jobs with the money he's saving? I seriously doubt he does.


Also, unless your "rich friend" is worth hundreds of millions of dollars, he's probably not in the category we are talking about.