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[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

But, he has yet to practice one live rep at TE.
Being a good blocker against DBs and the occasional LB is one thing.

You do realize he played in the TE set at the end of last season right?

The additional size he's gained will help him tremendously with blocking bigger people. People forget he was in a run oriented offense at Nebraska.

Shanny had an exactly the same type of TE back when he was winning super bowls. His name was Shannon Sharpe.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You do realize he played in the TE set at the end of last season right?

The additional size he's gained will help him tremendously with blocking bigger people. People forget he was in a run oriented offense at Nebraska.

Shanny had an exactly the same type of TE back when he was winning super bowls. His name was Shannon Sharpe.

Actually, I already knew that as a WR he played in some TE sets last year when Davis was suspended.
Yes, I realize that he's added some size and he's a good blocker for a WR.
Yes, I realize that he's roughly the same size/speed combo as Shannon Sharpe.
However none of it means that Paul is a better blocker then Fred Davis.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Actually, I already knew that as a WR he played in some TE sets last year when Davis was suspended.
Yes, I realize that he's added some size and he's a good blocker for a WR.
Yes, I realize that he's roughly the same size/speed combo as Shannon Sharpe.
However none of it means that Paul is a better blocker then Fred Davis.

If Cooley's main weakness is his blocking, and he's a better blocker than Fred Davis, what does that tell you about Fred Davis?

I'm willing to bet you good money even right now that Paul is a better blocking TE than Fred Davis. Then again, it doesn't take much to be better than Davis in that area, but he isn't on the field b/c of his blocking.

I'm not making the claim he'll be starting by the end of the season. I merely said he has the talent to surpass FD and listed 2 areas he already does surpass him in.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

If Cooley's main weakness is his blocking, and he's a better blocker than Fred Davis, what does that tell you about Fred Davis?

I think your perception of Davis blocking is based on old labels from 2 years ago.
I've seen David seal the edge in the running game and block DEs.
Is Davis inconsistent? Sure.
Does he miss blocks sometimes, sure who doesn't.
I have yet to see Paul seal the edge on or block a DE one-on-one or combo block with a Trent Williams on the outside stretch.

I'm willing to bet you good money even right now that Paul is a better blocking TE than Fred Davis. Then again, it doesn't take much to be better than Davis in that area, but he isn't on the field b/c of his blocking.

I'm not sure how I would collect after I won.
But, I'm sure we could ask someone to ask one the Skins coaches or people close to team if Paul is a better blocker then Davis.

Davis plays alot of snap and the reason he can be on the field so much is because of his blocking, his blocking makes him a complete TE.
And being a complete TE is part of the reason Davis was franchised tagged.

I'm not making the claim he'll be starting by the end of the season. I merely said he has the talent to surpass FD and listed 2 areas he already does surpass him in.

I think Paul has the tools to be good movement/match-up receiving threat TE.
And I can't wait to see him in game action.
But, I can't see him becoming an true in-line TE because of his blocking.
But then again, why would you take a movement TE and make them an in-line TE?

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Originally Posted by 30gut

I think your perception of Davis blocking is based on old labels from 2 years ago.
I've seen David seal the edge in the running game and block DEs.
Is Davis inconsistent? Sure.
Does he miss blocks sometimes, sure who doesn't.
I have yet to see Paul seal the edge on or block a DE one-on-one or combo block with a Trent Williams on the outside stretch.


I'm not sure how I would collect after I won.
But, I'm sure we could ask someone to ask one the Skins coaches or people close to team if Paul is a better blocker then Davis.

Davis plays alot of snap and the reason he can be on the field so much is because of his blocking, his blocking makes him a complete TE.
And being a complete TE is part of the reason Davis was franchised tagged.

I think Paul has the tools to be good movement/match-up receiving threat TE.
And I can't wait to see him in game action.
But, I can't see him becoming an true in-line TE because of his blocking.
But then again, why would you take a movement TE and make them an in-line TE?

Indeed. The Redskins used Niles Paul very conservatively last year. He did a great deal of blocking even lining up at WR. If he does develop into a game breaking TE or even effective in the passing game, then it would be proven that moving him to TE was a good and right move. Until he packs on more muscle, Paul isn't going to be able to perpetually block DEs or OLBs. He should be primarily used in the passing game.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I think your perception of Davis blocking is based on old labels from 2 years ago.
I've seen David seal the edge in the running game and block DEs.
Is Davis inconsistent? Sure.
Does he miss blocks sometimes, sure who doesn't.
I have yet to see Paul seal the edge on or block a DE one-on-one or combo block with a Trent Williams on the outside stretch.


I'm not sure how I would collect after I won.
But, I'm sure we could ask someone to ask one the Skins coaches or people close to team if Paul is a better blocker then Davis.

Davis plays alot of snap and the reason he can be on the field so much is because of his blocking, his blocking makes him a complete TE.
And being a complete TE is part of the reason Davis was franchised tagged.

I think Paul has the tools to be good movement/match-up receiving threat TE.
And I can't wait to see him in game action.
But, I can't see him becoming an true in-line TE because of his blocking.
But then again, why would you take a movement TE and make them an in-line TE?

I would have a different opinion. FDavis was brought in cause they liked what he supposedly should be able to do. He was known to be a pass catching TE not a blocking TE. Which is why they picked up Paulsen a year or two later. Let us not forget FDavis didn't see the field hardly his first year if at all and only played marginally more his second.

The real reason Davis saw more playing time had more to do with match ups with opponants and what MS/KS wanted to put on the field. Look at the Patriots they run a lot of 2 TE sets. So I really don't think Davis was just sooo awsome that MS had to put him on the field. I think it had more to do with the team utilizing more 2 TE sets.

Personally I liked more of what I saw from Paulsen blocking and more from what I saw from him when he had the ball in his hands. He seemed to run over defenders and was hard to bring down with out the fumbles.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I would have a different opinion. FDavis was brought in cause they liked what he supposedly should be able to do. He was known to be a pass catching TE not a blocking TE. Which is why they picked up Paulsen a year or two later. Let us not forget FDavis didn't see the field hardly his first year if at all and only played marginally more his second.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
But, first I would say that if you narrow the TE groups only to "pass catching" vs "blocking" then you're basically ignoring most of the good NFL TEs that fall somewhere in between.
And Davis was a complete TE coming out of USC and he's a complete TE now.
"Pass catching" TEs" aren't considered top TE prospects like Davis was coming out of USC.
If a TE is either a pass catching or a blocker they're not projected as starting caliber players therefore are not gonna be top prospects nor are they gonna get drafted very high. (Where was Paulsen drafted again?)
And in the NFL simply put if an NFL TE can't be at least an adequate blocker then they can't play inline TE.
And we both know that Fred Davis can play inline TE.

I'm not gonna speculate or quibble about Davis playing time rookie/year 1 playing time.
Nor, am I gonna pretend that either of us know the exact factors that lead to drafting Paulsen.
My guess would be that Paulsen was the highest rated player on their board and they liked his skillset.

The real reason Davis saw more playing time had more to do with match ups with opponants and what MS/KS wanted to put on the field. Look at the Patriots they run a lot of 2 TE sets. So I really don't think Davis was just sooo awsome that MS had to put him on the field. I think it had more to do with the team utilizing more 2 TE sets.

Oh, you know the reason why MS/KS make their decisions?
If Davis couldn't play he wouldn't play that much we know without mind reading the intentions of MS/KS.

Personally I liked more of what I saw from Paulsen blocking and more from what I saw from him when he had the ball in his hands. He seemed to run over defenders and was hard to bring down with out the fumbles.

Paulsen is a good blocker and in the Panthers game showed he's a decent receiver with decent run after the catch.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You do realize he played in the TE set at the end of last season right?

The additional size he's gained will help him tremendously with blocking bigger people. People forget he was in a run oriented offense at Nebraska.

Shanny had an exactly the same type of TE back when he was winning super bowls. His name was Shannon Sharpe.

You have to remember one thing. For whatever reason FDavis has risen to cult status among some fans. Last year he had his best yr of his career, but I didn't see him doing any better or worse then Cooley has done when healthy. So now that I've opened that can of worms lets takle it..... yes Cooley has been injured recently and I've wondered what could be the problem.... maybe he's just getting old, which I doubt thats a serious problem, or could it be something else. I think we shall see this year since it sounds like he had gained a lot of weight and has lost it for this coming year. That alone will wear on the knees.

But the problem with FDavis is he also seems to drop the ball, or fumble more then Cooley also. Not a good trait to have.

Blocking? Everyone seems to forget about Paulsen who was brought in for .... wait for it... yes his blocking ability. Paulsen filled in nicely and did an excellent job. Paul knows how to block which is a good thing, but he is listed as 6ft-1in, 224lbs on Redskins.com which is only about 25lbs lighter then Cooley or Davis. If he's gained close to 25lbs of muscle then Paul will be fine as a TE.

I still don't understand the cult status FDavis has gotten since he has yet to make it to a Pro Bowl even though fans seem to think he's going there every year.