2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I know lets keep the pensions paid in full by the tax payers and give teachers 90 day paid sick leave a year.

So you're against a teacher ...someone people in trust with their children but a Congressman who by profession is a liar..you're ok with?
Teachers don't get 90 days a year sick leave,do you know teachers must be certified every few years...changes from state to state and they must take those class's in the summer and pay for them themselves, each state has different requirments.
My Wife has been teaching kindergarden for 25 years and everytime a new politician comes in when they want to save money they cut "EDUCATION" yet she must pay 1500 per course to remain certified to teach and each board of Ed is different .AND her pension or pay isn't good enough for her to pay 5% of.If you really knew a good teacher you would'nt say stuff like that, 90 days,really??????

[NC_Skins]

Nope. No lies or distortion going on here.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Nope. No lies or distortion going on here.

fox news is amazing. i like when any type of positive news comes out on the economy they shit on it...its really funny. And when the economy was tanking in the Bush year...ie the muther****er who is responsible for this shit...they never said a word....

[firstdown]

So you guys see a picture with a caption and assume what may or may not have been said. I don't see any links so we can watch or hear what was discussed. So when will this ever be Obama's shit?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So you guys see a picture with a caption and assume what may or may not have been said. I don't see any links so we can watch or hear what was discussed. So when will this ever be Obama's shit?

FD still believing corporate media's drivel. I doubt you will read any of the links and follow up links from the article below but here is what you are asking for. You'll love the part at the bottom of this article where Fox idiot contradicts himself in different episodes. Blames Obama in one newscast, but says he's not to blame in a newscast last year.

Fox Now Asking: Is The Drop In Gas Prices A Bad Thing?

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Fox News loves harping on gas and continues to end up with egg on their face. Too bad their viewers are too stupid to see the bullshit.
Up, Up And Away: Fox's Gas Price Predictions Fall Flat | Media Matters for America

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

FD still believing corporate media's drivel. I doubt you will read any of the links and follow up links from the article below but here is what you are asking for. You'll love the part at the bottom of this article where Fox idiot contradicts himself in different episodes. Blames Obama in one newscast, but says he's not to blame in a newscast last year.

Fox Now Asking: Is The Drop In Gas Prices A Bad Thing?

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Fox News loves harping on gas and continues to end up with egg on their face. Too bad their viewers are too stupid to see the bullshit.
Up, Up And Away: Fox's Gas Price Predictions Fall Flat | Media Matters for America

BTW I don't watch FOX News and I really don't watch much news at all. What that article is doing is taking Bill O'Reilly which is commentary and not news and mixing it with an econmist opinion. They then throw in Sean Hannity which is also commentary and not news. The economist is looking at the drop in gas prices from a totaly different perspective which I'm sure you knew that. FOX does not hide the fact that O'Reilly and Hannity are conservative so what else would you expect for them. You also do know Media Matters is a progressive organization so it not the best source.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

BTW I don't watch FOX News and I really don't watch much news at all. What that article is doing is taking Bill O'Reilly which is commentary and not news and mixing it with an econmist opinion. They then throw in Sean Hannity which is also commentary and not news. The economist is looking at the drop in gas prices from a totaly different perspective which I'm sure you knew that. FOX does not hide the fact that O'Reilly and Hannity are conservative so what else would you expect for them. You also do know Media Matters is a progressive organization so it not the best source.

What do I expect from a major news corporation? I expect them to not lie.

Obviously that's too much to ask out of Fox. Maybe they should drop the Fox News name and call it Fox Conservative Talk TV. After all, it's not news.


There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that article from Media Matters. Not the best source? So if a site calls out and provides proof of bullshit claims by a conservative "news" agency, it's then becomes "not the best source". GTFO with that crap.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So you guys see a picture with a caption and assume what may or may not have been said. I don't see any links so we can watch or hear what was discussed. So when will this ever be Obama's shit?

hey im just stating facts, its obama's mess now and i agree he hasnt done enough to address it. But I dont want to lose sight it was another economic disaster by a Republican WhiteHouse which caused this problem. Thats what you get when there is little regulation and oversight...

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

hey im just stating facts, its obama's mess now and i agree he hasnt done enough to address it. But I dont want to lose sight it was another economic disaster by a Republican WhiteHouse which caused this problem. Thats what you get when there is little regulation and oversight...

Have you ever seen the thousands of pages of regulations and oversite? This is just from the SEC.

Rules and Regulations for the Securities and Exchange Commission and Major Securities Laws

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Nope. No lies or distortion going on here.

i honestly dont understand what kind of point youre trying to make with that "Fox News" discrepancy, which you refer to as "lies and distortion". Is it a "having your cake and eating it too" type thing?

But the lies and distortion (aka discrepancy) thing isnt even really a discrepancy at all, because Fox Nation and Fox Business are entirely different networks, both of which are likely making their statements for entirely different reasons. Their purposes are independent of each other.

I honestly dont even think Fox Nation is even a network or channel, but just a website. And its not a journalism reporting site but a blog style conservative targeted news/opinion/commentary site. Obviously the headline “Gas Prices Up 83% Under Obama” is going to be for that audience.

Fox Business is more of an actual news network but just like CNBC, Fox Business focuses on equity markets and economic situations with analysis and opinions. Politics are really only discussed in terms of their perceived effects on markets, and often with caution or sensitivity. Usually business networks purely focus on "business" from early morning until 4pm (when most US markets close), followed by market recap and economic punditisy (my word). Political opinion may drift into shows later in the evening.

You also have to know conventional wisdom formed around current economic events. I suspect the reason Fox Business proclaims “Cheap Gas Isnt Good” is because it implies that the demand for it is falling, which serves as an indicator that our economy is hurting.

Commodities are tricky to value because their intrinsic value is hard to define and much (or all) of their total value is purely speculative or market driven. But lets pretend the price of gas is 4 bucks; $3 of which is its base value, and $1 being global economic demand. If our economy isn’t healthy or things in Europe are bad (or both!) and the demand aspect for gas drops by a dollar, than cheap gas at $3 “isn’t good”.

If the “base value” fell independently of the global economic demand that would be good, and may imply additional supply, a stronger dollar, lower production costs or a host of other things. So while high gas prices are usually bad, whats even worse is when gas prices are low because no one needs to drive to work.

Either way these are different statements made by different media outlets for different purposes and likely in very different context.

I personally find it interesting that gas prices have increased 88% since Obama took office while the global economy has been subdued. I believe the major increase in gas prices under Bush came from the HAVOC (VCU Baby!!!) Katrina had on the oil supply and felt temporary. I cant say that about current prices…..

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

i honestly dont understand what kind of point youre trying to make with that "Fox News" discrepancy, which you refer to as "lies and distortion". Is it a "having your cake and eating it too" type thing?

I think it's quite obvious to understand the point that was made in that picture.

Gas prices rise: It's Obama's fault

Gas prices lower: Obama has nothing to do with this

Any third grader can grasp what they are tying to do which leads back to the lies and distortion comment.

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

But the lies and distortion (aka discrepancy) thing isnt even really a discrepancy at all, because Fox Nation and Fox Business are entirely different networks, both of which are likely making their statements for entirely different reasons. Their purposes are independent of each other.

I honestly dont even think Fox Nation is even a network or channel, but just a website. And its not a journalism reporting site but a blog style conservative targeted news/opinion/commentary site. Obviously the headline “Gas Prices Up 83% Under Obama” is going to be for that audience.

You keep telling yourself they have nothing to do with each other and they are "independent" of each other.



Go to Fox News and you'll get all those "independent of each other" entities you speak of at the top of their page. That's not independent bro. They serve ONE purpose. Propagation.

Fox News Viewers Know Less Than People Who Don't Watch Any News: Study

Fox News Viewers Are The Most Misinformed: Study

However, while consumers of just about every news outlet believed some information that was false, the study found that Fox News viewers, regardless of political information, were "significantly more likely" to believe that:

Gee. I'm totally shocked by this. /end sarcasm

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

You also have to know conventional wisdom formed around current economic events. I suspect the reason Fox Business proclaims “Cheap Gas Isnt Good” is because it implies that the demand for it is falling, which serves as an indicator that our economy is hurting.

Sure. That's fine, but don't say out the side of your mouth that cheap prices aren't good, but scream "ITS OBAMAS FAULT" when the prices are high. I understand the economics of oil and impacts of other economies affecting this. Not only that, I showed you evidence where the same guy blames obama for gas prices, yet somehow managed to defend him the previous year saying the president has nothing to do with it.

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

I personally find it interesting that gas prices have increased 88% since Obama took office while the global economy has been subdued. I believe the major increase in gas prices under Bush came from the HAVOC (VCU Baby!!!) Katrina had on the oil supply and felt temporary. I cant say that about current prices…..

Then chances are you are probably a Fox viewer. One of the major reasons was the conflict(s) in the middle east. That immediately caused the prices in oil to spike. That happens when your President lies to his people about evidence for going to war and causes prices to skyrocket. Hey, had to get those oil stocks up for the good ole boys!! (and haliburton)


History and Analysis -Crude Oil Prices


Despite GOP Claims, High Gas Prices Are Not Obama's Fault - TIME

Time to get educated my man.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Giantone

So you're against a teacher ...someone people in trust with their children but a Congressman who by profession is a liar..you're ok with?
Teachers don't get 90 days a year sick leave,do you know teachers must be certified every few years...changes from state to state and they must take those class's in the summer and pay for them themselves, each state has different requirments.
My Wife has been teaching kindergarden for 25 years and everytime a new politician comes in when they want to save money they cut "EDUCATION" yet she must pay 1500 per course to remain certified to teach and each board of Ed is different .AND her pension or pay isn't good enough for her to pay 5% of.If you really knew a good teacher you would'nt say stuff like that, 90 days,really??????

In Wisconsin they get 90 days sick leave and I never said I was for any congressman. My mother was a teacher for over 40 years and was teacher of the year 2 times in her city and was runner up for teacher of the year for the state of VA (I know what happened to me). My sister is a teacher and my grandmothers both were teachers. So no I'm not against teachers at all. Your also confused and it not 5% of their pay its 5% of the contributions to thier pension. So if the state contributes $500 per month the state employee would have to pay $25.
Oshkosh Area School District: Sick Leave - OEA

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by firstdown

In Wisconsin they get 90 days sick leave and I never said I was for any congressman. My mother was a teacher for over 40 years and was teacher of the year 2 times in her city and was runner up for teacher of the year for the state of VA (I know what happened to me). My sister is a teacher and my grandmothers both were teachers. So no I'm not against teachers at all. Your also confused and it not 5% of their pay its 5% of the contributions to thier pension. So if the state contributes $500 per month the state employee would have to pay $25.
Oshkosh Area School District: Sick Leave - OEA

Did you read the link you posted,they can only carry (accumlate) 90 days ,they only pick up 10 days a year or 1 day a month for every month they work.My point is every school distric is different.I realize what it is you said ,yet in every single case first it's 5 then 10 and then 25 isn't that much to ask, no .As someone else said they just were'nt born with this these benifits were "bargin for" by representitives from either a town state or some goverment offical....now we have a new govermor so no it's all gone.....let me ask you this.....do we not get mad when a player is under contract but sits out for more money?Owners can't just change when ever they want ....this is the same thing.
FD from what you have posted I'm sure your Mom and grandmother sister...all of them love kids but should that be held against them becuase it's the profesion they chose?