Supreme Court Upholds Health Care Mandate

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

This plan has been tried by Mass. and they pay the highest premium IN THE COUNTRY for health ins. This is not new its just a bad plan.

They are also one of the states with the highest cost of living. Your point?

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Let's delve further into your claim about the health insurance and see what we can find. Oooo...lookie here. I want you to read the whole article so that why you won't be propagating misleading info.

Does Massachusetts Have the Nation’s Highest Health Insurance Premiums? It Depends. - Health Stew - Boston.com

Some things help to explain the difference. Massachusetts health insurance tends to include lower deductibles and other kinds of cost sharing which are much higher in most other states, a difference that inflates MA premiums as compared with those in other states. Massachusetts has the highest proportion of physicians, nurses and many other health professional categories than all other states. And our costs have always been the highest, not just since the Massachusetts health reform law passed in 2006. But still, guilty as charged.

There are other key differences, and the most important one is income. Massachusetts had the 4th highest median household income among the 50 states in 2010 (after Maryland, New Jersey, and Connecticut). That accounts for a big part of the difference. The raw (unadjusted) premiums shown above don't take into account ability to pay. For example, assume Ms. M lives in Massachusetts and has $100 in income and health insurance premiums costing $20. Then assume Mr. A lives in Arkansas, has income of $50, and health insurance premiums costing $15. Even though Mr. A pays less, he is paying 30% of his income and Ms. M is paying 20% of hers. Who is worse off? I think Mr. A from Arkansas.

Checkmate.

[firstdown]

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;923060]They are also one of the states with the highest cost of living. Your point?

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Let's delve further into your claim about the health insurance and see what we can find. Oooo...lookie here. I want you to read the whole article so that why you won't be propagating misleading info.

Does Massachusetts Have the Nation’s Highest Health Insurance Premiums? It Depends. - Health Stew - Boston.com




Checkmate.[/QUOTE

Well I guess you can also explain why the Mass. healthcare cost are increasing faster then the national average.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well I guess you can also explain why the Mass. healthcare cost are increasing faster then the national average.

In case you missed it one more time. Far and away better than most states it seems, but you GOPers like to try and use numbers to skew things.



Nice try. (not really)

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

In case you missed it one more time. Far and away better than most states it seems, but you GOPers like to try and use numbers to skew things.



Nice try. (not really)

Most of Romney Care did not kick in until 2009.

Bad Try. (really bad)

[Chico23231]

[QUOTE=firstdown;923198]Most of Romney Care did not kick in until 2009.

Bad Try. (really bad)[/QUOTE]

lol

[saden1]

[quote=Chico23231;923202]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Most of Romney Care did not kick in until 2009.

Bad Try. (really bad)[/QUOTE]

lol

It's an endless game where they give all the blame and none of the glory and vice versa.

They have rallied behind Romney now, his shamefulness is invisible to them and they are in man on a mission mode. It's quite comical and sad to see them try to make him look pretty for the November dance.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Most of Romney Care did not kick in until 2009.

Bad Try. (really bad)

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Here is 2010 data, and I imagine it'll be the same for 2011. I can do this all day long.



Nice try again. (no seriously not really)



How about you provide proof instead of me doing all your work for you. You want to paint that Mass is paying the highest rates, but fail to see they have the highest income AND that they actually pay less than most states as a percentage of income.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

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Here is 2010 data, and I imagine it'll be the same for 2011. I can do this all day long.



Nice try again. (no seriously not really)



How about you provide proof instead of me doing all your work for you. You want to paint that Mass is paying the highest rates, but fail to see they have the highest income AND that they actually pay less than most states as a percentage of income.

So if I make $100,000 and buy a car for $20,000 I paid less if a guy making $50,000 paid $18,000 for the same car?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So if I make $100,000 and buy a car for $20,000 I paid less if a guy making $50,000 paid $18,000 for the same car?

It's hard to explain and you probably won't get it but lets just say you and that guy probably won't be eating at the same restaurant and drinking $9 Belgium beer.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So if I make $100,000 and buy a car for $20,000 I paid less if a guy making $50,000 paid $18,000 for the same car?

You paid less as a percentage of income. His car cost him 36% of his income. It only cost you 20% of your income.


Obviously you haven't grasped the fact of "cost of living". Guess what? McDonalds food cost more in New York than it does North Carolina. So does housing and many other things.

Massachusetts average cost of home: $520,179

North Carolina average cost of home: $280,913


Almost double.


They have the second highest income (per person) average in the United States.
State-by-state: Average income per person - USATODAY.com



So would you rather buy something that takes up 20% of your income or 36% of your income? Basic math.