Supreme Court Upholds Health Care Mandate

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Wait, so these people are now going to go out and vote for the guy who originated this health care system?


Wouldn't surprise me people are that idiotic. DAMN YOU OBAMA FOR YOUR OBAMACARE! JUST FOR THAT, I'M GOING TO ELECT THE GUY WHO CREATED THE VERY SYSTEM YOU IMPLEMENTED!! THAT'LL SHOW YOU!!

AS USUAL, YOU OVERSIMPLY CRAP AND ASSUME ANYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOU IS "IDIOTIC".

Obamacare and Romneycare have very key differences, for those who like facts rather than all caps and condescending BS, here's some good info:

Mitt Romney and Healthcare: Romneycare Vs. Obamacare

The American Spectator : Obamacare vs. Romneycare -- A Crucial Difference

RomneyCare - The Truth about Massachusetts Health Care | Mitt Romney Central
Pay particular attention to point #6, Romney's vetoes that were over-ridden by a Dem state legislature.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

AS USUAL, YOU OVERSIMPLY CRAP AND ASSUME ANYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOU IS "IDIOTIC".

Obamacare and Romneycare have very key differences, for those who like facts rather than all caps and condescending BS, here's some good info:

Mitt Romney and Healthcare: Romneycare Vs. Obamacare

The American Spectator : Obamacare vs. Romneycare -- A Crucial Difference

RomneyCare - The Truth about Massachusetts Health Care | Mitt Romney Central
Pay particular attention to point #6, Romney's vetoes that were over-ridden by a Dem state legislature.

Sammy you say facts yet you posted a link to Romney web page.....oh I'm sure that is full of facts.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Sammy you say facts yet you posted a link to Romney web page.....oh I'm sure that is full of facts.

Rather than dismiss the links, how about you read them and research the info to see if it's correct.....

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Sammy you say facts yet you posted a link to Romney web page.....oh I'm sure that is full of facts.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

AS USUAL, YOU OVERSIMPLY CRAP AND ASSUME ANYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOU IS "IDIOTIC".

Obamacare and Romneycare have very key differences, for those who like facts rather than all caps and condescending BS, here's some good info:

Mitt Romney and Healthcare: Romneycare Vs. Obamacare

The American Spectator : Obamacare vs. Romneycare -- A Crucial Difference

RomneyCare - The Truth about Massachusetts Health Care | Mitt Romney Central
Pay particular attention to point #6, Romney's vetoes that were over-ridden by a Dem state legislature.

Interesting stuff on the Romney vetoes, Sammy. I didn't know about them. Thanks for that.

The Romneycare vs. Obamacare link is less helpful as it oversimplifies things in my eyes. For example, the "bipartisan support" part when the legislature was 87% Democrat. That's not exactly the same "bipartisan" reality that one finds on Capitol Hill.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

AS USUAL, YOU OVERSIMPLY CRAP AND ASSUME ANYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOU IS "IDIOTIC".

You oversimplified my statement in which I oversimplified. I have never insinuated that because you don't agree with me, it means you are a idiot. I said,(or implied rather) that if you aren't going to vote for Obama based on the national healthcare program, but are planning on voting for Romney, who is the founder of such program, it's pretty idiotic.

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Obamacare and Romneycare have very key differences, for those who like facts rather than all caps and condescending BS, here's some good info:

Pay particular attention to point #6, Romney's vetoes that were over-ridden by a Dem state legislature.

You might as well have linked me to FOX News Sammy. You expect me to believe he's going to put ANYTHING remotely bad on his major website? No, he's going to slant it to make it look like he's the guy you should be voting for. Take this for example.



Strong bipartisan support? Is that why they overrode his vetoes? Also, is he really going to compare the state run government bipartisan levels to that on the national level? ....lol I think we all know the GOP goes out of it's way to stonewall anybody not in their group. Why? So they can point a finger come next election and SAY LOOK!! HE"S DONE NOTHING!




Look at the word play here. "A mere modest 1% of the state budget". Notice he doesn't use overall numbers like he did with the national bill (500 BILLION). Also, isn't cutting Medicare by 500 billion a good thing to you GOPers?



LOOK GUYS! IT"S INTENDED AS A SOCIALISM!!! Who cares how long the bill was? You mean to tell me that 70 page bill is more detailed than that 2,074 bill? Doubt it. I'm willing to bet you that everything on the right side could be applied on the left side as well, but you know they aren't going to put that in. The bill was probably so long because it ended up with billions in pork.
In health bill, billions for parks, paths - The Boston Globe


As far as your point #6, lets look at what amendments he vetoed.

Romney vetoed eight sections of the health care legislation, including a $295-per-person fee on businesses with 11 employees or more that do not provide health insurance.[47][48] Romney also vetoed provisions providing dental and eyeglass benefits to poor residents on the Medicaid program, and providing health coverage to senior and disabled legal immigrants not eligible for federal Medicaid.[49][50] However, the state legislature overrode all of the vetoes.[51]
Governorship of Mitt Romney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Puhleease. Give a friggin break Sammy. For all intents and purposes, the Obamacare and Romneycare are THE SAME THING. You can nickle and dime the few discrepancies, but a spade is still a spade bro.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You oversimplified my statement in which I oversimplified. I have never insinuated that because you don't agree with me, it means you are a idiot. I said,(or implied rather) that if you aren't going to vote for Obama based on the national healthcare program, but are planning on voting for Romney, who is the founder of such program, it's pretty idiotic.

In your mind Obamacare & Romneycare are the same, in evaluating the details they are different.

You can capitalize sentences and throw around your normal rhetoric, bottom line is a majority in this country don't want Obamacare, Romney is the alternative, and we'll see how this plays out in Nov.

[NC_Skins]

O’Reilly promised to ‘apologize for being an idiot’ if heath law was upheld | The Raw Story

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

O’Reilly promised to ‘apologize for being an idiot’ if heath law was upheld | The Raw Story

Jon Stewart is great on this........



Jon Stewart mocks reactions to the health care ruling | The Raw Story

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Jon Stewart is great on this........



Jon Stewart mocks reactions to the health care ruling | The Raw Story

As usual Stewart (and Colbert) cuts through the bullsh*t and hits the nail on the head:

“So you’re going to keep everything but the mandate, A.K.A the thing that pays for all of it?” Stewart wondered. “So the fiscally responsible Republican is saying, don’t worry, you’re going to get all the goodies, but not the bill. Cus that would be taxes, and that is tyranny.”


The hypocracy by the GOP is amazing on this issue. Whats more amazing is if you ask them "whats your health plan?", they have none.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

In your mind Obamacare & Romneycare are the same, in evaluating the details they are different.

You can capitalize sentences and throw around your normal rhetoric, bottom line is a majority in this country don't want Obamacare, Romney is the alternative, and we'll see how this plays out in Nov.

Sammy in base they are the same,like it or not.Yes there are some differences in language and such...but make no mistake they are based on the same thing.When I retire in 36 months I'll have to pay 1200 a month for health care for my wife and myself and does'nt include .....what I call healthy care "preventative" care ,my wife has had 2 bouts of skin cancer once others see that word either they won't accept her or will not pay for any treatment related to it.
In 1994 my dad sufferd a stroke and 4 days after he was released home(bed ridden and unable to talk or walk)Blue Cross of New York dropped him....my Mom lost our family home becuase of this,now yes she was mad and fought back and in 7 years won, now that was 2 years after dad had passed and the house was gone to pay bills,sorry for the tiraid but under this new bill that can't happen and that's good.

P.S....the majority in this country "DO" want Obamacare as you put it....they just don't want what the GOP is selling it as.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Sammy in base they are the same,like it or not.Yes there are some differences in language and such...but make no mistake they are based on the same thing.When I retire in 36 months I'll have to pay 1200 a month for health care for my wife and myself and does'nt include .....what I call healthy care "preventative" care ,my wife has had 2 bouts of skin cancer once others see that word either they won't accept her or will not pay for any treatment related to it.
In 1994 my dad sufferd a stroke and 4 days after he was released home(bed ridden and unable to talk or walk)Blue Cross of New York dropped him....my Mom lost our family home becuase of this,now yes she was mad and fought back and in 7 years won, now that was 2 years after dad had passed and the house was gone to pay bills,sorry for the tiraid but under this new bill that can't happen and that's good.

P.S....the majority in this country "DO" want Obamacare as you put it....they just don't want what the GOP is selling it as.

I'm very sorry to hear about your family's issues with the health care system. I'm no fan of status quo either, I have a firsthand experience very similar to what you experienced with your father, coincidentally in the eary '90s as well.

The system needs changes, but Obamacare is not the way. Also, if you checked the links I originally posted it's pretty clear the majority do not want Obamacare as it stands today.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

The system needs changes, but Obamacare is not the way. Also, if you checked the links I originally posted it's pretty clear the majority do not want Obamacare as it stands today.

It's not pretty clear. What is clear is that many people that do oppose it think it doesn't go far enough. Look, I have polls too!

CBS Poll: For Many, Health Care Reform Does Not Go Far Enough | FDL Action

The most interesting questions in the poll were about whether people think reform went far enough or went too far: When asked about trying to “provide health insurance to as many Americans as possible,” 32% said that the plan goes too far, 35% said it doesn’t go far enough, and 22% said it is about right.

If you claim the system needs changing, but Obamacare is not the way, then why in the hell hasn't the GOP or any other talking head conservative come up with a plan? Oh I know why, because they don't want one. That's why.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

It's not pretty clear. What is clear is that many people that do oppose it think it doesn't go far enough. Look, I have polls too!

CBS Poll: For Many, Health Care Reform Does Not Go Far Enough | FDL Action





If you claim the system needs changing, but Obamacare is not the way, then why in the hell hasn't the GOP or any other talking head conservative come up with a plan? Oh I know why, because they don't want one. That's why.

The right has presented several plans.