Supreme Court Upholds Health Care Mandate

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

In your mind Obamacare & Romneycare are the same, in evaluating the details they are different.

You can capitalize sentences and throw around your normal rhetoric, bottom line is a majority in this country don't want Obamacare, Romney is the alternative, and we'll see how this plays out in Nov.

Sammy in base they are the same,like it or not.Yes there are some differences in language and such...but make no mistake they are based on the same thing.When I retire in 36 months I'll have to pay 1200 a month for health care for my wife and myself and does'nt include .....what I call healthy care "preventative" care ,my wife has had 2 bouts of skin cancer once others see that word either they won't accept her or will not pay for any treatment related to it.
In 1994 my dad sufferd a stroke and 4 days after he was released home(bed ridden and unable to talk or walk)Blue Cross of New York dropped him....my Mom lost our family home becuase of this,now yes she was mad and fought back and in 7 years won, now that was 2 years after dad had passed and the house was gone to pay bills,sorry for the tiraid but under this new bill that can't happen and that's good.

P.S....the majority in this country "DO" want Obamacare as you put it....they just don't want what the GOP is selling it as.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Sammy in base they are the same,like it or not.Yes there are some differences in language and such...but make no mistake they are based on the same thing.When I retire in 36 months I'll have to pay 1200 a month for health care for my wife and myself and does'nt include .....what I call healthy care "preventative" care ,my wife has had 2 bouts of skin cancer once others see that word either they won't accept her or will not pay for any treatment related to it.
In 1994 my dad sufferd a stroke and 4 days after he was released home(bed ridden and unable to talk or walk)Blue Cross of New York dropped him....my Mom lost our family home becuase of this,now yes she was mad and fought back and in 7 years won, now that was 2 years after dad had passed and the house was gone to pay bills,sorry for the tiraid but under this new bill that can't happen and that's good.

P.S....the majority in this country "DO" want Obamacare as you put it....they just don't want what the GOP is selling it as.

I'm very sorry to hear about your family's issues with the health care system. I'm no fan of status quo either, I have a firsthand experience very similar to what you experienced with your father, coincidentally in the eary '90s as well.

The system needs changes, but Obamacare is not the way. Also, if you checked the links I originally posted it's pretty clear the majority do not want Obamacare as it stands today.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

The system needs changes, but Obamacare is not the way. Also, if you checked the links I originally posted it's pretty clear the majority do not want Obamacare as it stands today.

It's not pretty clear. What is clear is that many people that do oppose it think it doesn't go far enough. Look, I have polls too!

CBS Poll: For Many, Health Care Reform Does Not Go Far Enough | FDL Action

The most interesting questions in the poll were about whether people think reform went far enough or went too far: When asked about trying to “provide health insurance to as many Americans as possible,” 32% said that the plan goes too far, 35% said it doesn’t go far enough, and 22% said it is about right.

If you claim the system needs changing, but Obamacare is not the way, then why in the hell hasn't the GOP or any other talking head conservative come up with a plan? Oh I know why, because they don't want one. That's why.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

It's not pretty clear. What is clear is that many people that do oppose it think it doesn't go far enough. Look, I have polls too!

CBS Poll: For Many, Health Care Reform Does Not Go Far Enough | FDL Action





If you claim the system needs changing, but Obamacare is not the way, then why in the hell hasn't the GOP or any other talking head conservative come up with a plan? Oh I know why, because they don't want one. That's why.

The right has presented several plans.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

The right has presented several plans.

Links? Cliff notes?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Links? Cliff notes?

well one passed lil Bush where he litterally let lobbies write up the perscription bill plane, which has exceeded cost, think that was 2003.

Nothing else substantial or serious other than cutting medicare and medicade, which cutting is not a plan.

Avg industrial nation spends bout 11-12% on health care (a staggering amount imo). We have had no plan approach and our costs are approaching 18%. That cost will only rise but our country has a massive and I mean MASSIVE all caps massive (the most serious) baby boomer generation retiring, those costs will only increase.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

well one passed lil Bush where he litterally let lobbies write up the perscription bill plane, which has exceeded cost, think that was 2003.

Nothing else substantial or serious other than cutting medicare and medicade, which cutting is not a plan.

Avg industrial nation spends bout 11-12% on health care (a staggering amount imo). We have had no plan approach and our costs are approaching 18%. That cost will only rise but our country has a massive and I mean MASSIVE all caps massive (the most serious) baby boomer generation retiring, those costs will only increase.

These are no where near actual legislation, but key points of GOP plans:

http://camp.house.gov/UploadedFiles/..._Care_plan.pdf

Repeal and Replace the Job-Destroying Health Care Law - A Pledge to America - GOP.gov

Agree 100% on bolded point, and lil Bush should've never pushed the prescription drug plan.