Supreme Court Upholds Health Care Mandate

[NC_Skins]

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

So now health insurance will reduce crime and homelessness. LMAO

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So now health insurance will reduce crime and homelessness. LMAO

We don't know, we've never had full coverage for everyone until now. Maybe it will.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So now health insurance will reduce crime and homelessness. LMAO

great point about Christian values. lotta hypocracy on the right when it comes to that.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

great point about Christian values. lotta hypocracy on the right when it comes to that.

His points were pretty stupid if you ask me. I see churches helping people all the time out of kindness not being forced to by a federal gov. I guess the left needs to be forced to help the poor by taking money from other people.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Hyperbole anyone? Here is a link from the Aussie gov't on problems they admit they are facing in their own system. Now imagine how those problems will increase exponentially in the U.S with a much larger population.

yourHealth - 2. Problems with our health system today

I'm a Christian and I've got no problem going to church on Sunday and opposing Obamacare. There are already plenty of gov't programs in place to help the very poor. Obamacare is about gov't control, not helping the less fortunate. This clown needs to stop drinking the socialist kool-aid.

Oh, and this,
Austrailian Income taxes:
under $ 18K = $ 0
18-37K = 19%
37-80K = 32.5%
80 - 180K = 37%
over 180K = 45%
plus 1.5% Medicare tax on all
also 10% VAT (sales tax) which goes to the states

US Tax Brackets - Single Filing
$0 – $8,700 = 10%
$8,700 – $35,350 = 15%
$35,350 – $85,650 = 25%
$85,650 – $178,650 = 28%
$178,650 – $388,350 = 33%
Over $388,350 = $ 35%
plus 1.45% Medicare tax on individual, 1.45% on employer.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I'm a Christian and I've got no problem going to church on Sunday and opposing Obamacare. There are already plenty of gov't programs in place to help the very poor. Obamacare is about gov't control, not helping the less fortunate. This clown needs to stop drinking the socialist kool-aid.

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The last time I checked it was a religious sect that was serving cool aid to it's memebers and lying to them.My question to you ...what about the not very poor,what about the people who are doing the best they can to hang on but don't qualify as "very poor",Sammy what do they do?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Giantone

The last time I checked it was a religious sect that was serving cool aid to it's memebers and lying to them.My question to you ...what about the not very poor,what about the people who are doing the best they can to hang on but don't qualify as "very poor",Sammy what do they do?

It's a very difficult situation. I understand, I've experienced it first hand with my parents. My mom continued to work, just to keep health insurance for my Dad, until Medicare kicked in. My sister and I did what we could at the time to help. Once Medicare kicked in the benefit levels dropped.

By no means do I think the health care system doesn't need reform, it certainly does, and now. But ultimately turing over control of mine and my family's health care to the gov't under a single-payer system, which is Obama's stated goal, is not something I want to see happen.

And all the numbers, taxes/not taxes, FSA, whatever aside, I'm Catholic and there is no way I'll support any legislation, or politician that advocates legislation, that forces a religious affiliated hospital or charity to provide services (sterilization, abortion drug, contraception) that are directly counter to its core beliefs with no avenue for an "opt-out" or religious exemption.