Sex Abuse Scandal Rocks Penn State

[djnemo65]

Guys, look, the statue is coming down. In fact, if it's still up whenever PSU plays its next game I'll ride with NC Skins and help tear it down. Actually I won't, but I'll ride along and will defend NC once he gets arrested. While I can't prove it, I'm reasonably sure that these Board member quotes arguing that the statue should stay up are coming from one of the five or so new members elected this year after running on pro-Paterno platforms. People like this: New Penn State Trustee Anthony Lubrano needs a dose of this little thing called reality (Video) | Larry Brown Sports

I do need to pushback against what I think has really been some piling on, here and other places. First, I'm not sure people realize that Penn State commissioned and paid for the Freeh Report. They didn't have to do that. More importantly, if they were trying to further suppress this story (as changing the channel in the student union is supposedly evidence of) they wouldn't have taken the lead in commissioning this type of report, or they would have farmed it out to someone less capable and unbiased than a former FBI director. The school has made some mistakes but it is trying to do the right thing moving forward and isn't getting enough credit for that. Everyone got fired, including Paterno before we knew the extent of his involvement (which ended up costing several board members their positions, not profiles in courage but still.) This stuff about changing the channel in the student union is an example. What do you think is more likely? That this was an order from up high to keep students in the dark? (Students who have like internet and stuff.) Or that this was the decision of some 12 dollar an hour shift mananager who probably has never been trained in PR and working under international media scrutiny? If they wanted to suppress this stuff they wouldn't have commissioned the report, simple as that.

SS, I don't get why you are so concerned about football players who had nothing to do with this but want federal scholarship funding cut for students who similarly had nothing to do with any of this, scholarships that allowed people like me to attend the most expensive state school in the country and are basically responsible for everything that I now have in my life. I get why people are angry but to just vindictively wish pain on anyone who has any PSU affiliation at all is just mean, and to show solicitude for football players (who can just transfer to a comparable institution easily) but not for regular students (who can't) is just perverse. I really don't get it.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Guys, look, the statue is coming down. In fact, if it's still up whenever PSU plays its next game I'll ride with NC Skins and help tear it down. Actually I won't, but I'll ride along and will defend NC once he gets arrested. While I can't prove it, I'm reasonably sure that these Board member quotes arguing that the statue should stay up are coming from one of the five or so new members elected this year after running on pro-Paterno platforms. People like this: New Penn State Trustee Anthony Lubrano needs a dose of this little thing called reality (Video) | Larry Brown Sports

Thank you. I'll drop you off at the closet corner, right before I ram it. You can youtube it. I envision it going something like this.

Originally Posted by djnemo65

I do need to pushback against what I think has really been some piling on, here and other places. First, I'm not sure people realize that Penn State commissioned and paid for the Freeh Report. They didn't have to do that. More importantly, if they were trying to further suppress this story (as changing the channel in the student union is supposedly evidence of) they wouldn't have taken the lead in commissioning this type of report, or they would have farmed it out to someone less capable and unbiased than a former FBI director. The school has made some mistakes but it is trying to do the right thing moving forward and isn't getting enough credit for that. Everyone got fired, including Paterno before we knew the extent of his involvement (which ended up costing several board members their positions, not profiles in courage but still.) This stuff about changing the channel in the student union is an example. What do you think is more likely? That this was an order from up high to keep students in the dark? (Students who have like internet and stuff.) Or that this was the decision of some 12 dollar an hour shift mananager who probably has never been trained in PR and working under international media scrutiny? If they wanted to suppress this stuff they wouldn't have commissioned the report, simple as that.

You ask if the decision to pull the plug on the Freeh report being announced was the work of administrators or a 12/hr shift manager? I think the bigger question here is does it really matter?

Even if some 12/hr shift manager is pulling the plug, wouldn't that also show you how rooted the PSU football culture is? Protect the brand. Protect the brand. Now, not only do you have 3 administrators and 1 head coach protecting the brand, but now you have all the departments across campus following their lead. This is by far the main issue at hand here. The culture and atmosphere that has been created in which the well being of human beings comes second to PSU football and PSU university.


This where I stand. I think PSU football should die. I do believe the school itself should stand because it is a valuable educational institution, but I think the football culture has created a monster that will not stop unless it's killed. I assure you, if allowed to continue, something else in the future will also be covered up as well. In fact, there will be even a stronger case for these individuals to cover up the next incident because they are going to even look more out of control if they reveal it.

Also, the fact that you have guys like the BoT (linked above) spewing that garbage about how this wasn't a PSU scandal or a PSU football scandal is ridiculous. These are the exact types of people that allowed the mess to happen to begin with. People in denial. People that put PSU above all else. I'm with Matty when he says that anybody still defending JoePa should put a gun in their mouth and pull the trigger.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

SS, I don't get why you are so concerned about football players who had nothing to do with this but want federal scholarship funding cut for students who similarly had nothing to do with any of this, scholarships that allowed people like me to attend the most expensive state school in the country and are basically responsible for everything that I now have in my life. I get why people are angry but to just vindictively wish pain on anyone who has any PSU affiliation at all is just mean, and to show solicitude for football players (who can just transfer to a comparable institution easily) but not for regular students (who can't) is just perverse. I really don't get it.

i dont think anyone with a rational thought process would wish vindictive pain on the current students and facilty that have had nothing to do with the sandusky case. i think people want to see penn state react faster than they have though, and the lack of public response has rubbbed alot of people the wrong way. it leads to the perception that penn state is too wrapped up in themselfs to identify the problem and find a solution. i feel sorry for all of the people with any affilitation to the school that are wrongly affected by this, but at the end of the day it's a bi-product of the university's wrong doing. and these students and facilty are not the only innocent people effected by this, the victims come first and foremost.

for the record i think the university should be able to continue with academics as normal, but the football program should be shut down for at least one year. and the university also needs to remove all ties to paterno, knowing what we now know there is no reason what so ever to continue any afiliation with that name. it's a very sad and tragic set of events that have unfolded here.