Expectations for Griff and the 2012 Offense

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

I'm going all out. 10-6. NFC East champs. 4-2 in the division, dropping one to the Giants and one to the Eagles...sweeping Dallas. Only the tough AFC North opponents hamper our record, but they'll beat up on all of the NFC East teams.


Lose the NFC championship after one win, back better than ever next season. 2014 SB champs in YR3 of RG3.

Griffin is ROY, Pro Bowl alternate after some starters make up injuries to get out of it. He'll outproduce Cam Newton and Michael Vick, his two most-frequent comparisons.

10 wins for #10.

Think I'm crazy? Deal with it.

I don't think you are crazy. I am tempted to make similar predictions. But I am trying not to drink too much koolaid before camp even starts. I've been burned before.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I don't think you are crazy. I am tempted to make similar predictions. But I am trying not to drink too much koolaid before camp even starts. I've been burned before.

This, and again - This. Given that we had a 5 int game, and a 10 sack game, plus several other losses due in the most part to less then stellar QB play, and given the team went 3-1 with Rex playing ok, I think the improvement RGIII is expected to bring will let other pieces that have been berated (OL, WR corp) finally take a step up. BUT, I have drank the Koolaid so many times that even Jim Jones won't serve it to me. So let's see how Griff and the team do for the first year, then next year I will be ready to drink again.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

This, and again - This. Given that we had a 5 int game, and a 10 sack game, plus several other losses due in the most part to less then stellar QB play, and given the team went 3-1 with Rex playing ok, I think the improvement RGIII is expected to bring will let other pieces that have been berated (OL, WR corp) finally take a step up. BUT, I have drank the Koolaid so many times that even Jim Jones won't serve it to me. So let's see how Griff and the team do for the first year, then next year I will be ready to drink again.

Freakin' hilarious CRed.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I don't think you are crazy. I am tempted to make similar predictions. But I am trying not to drink too much koolaid before camp even starts. I've been burned before.

This. I'm not drinking the kool-aid yet. And I don't expect a Newton-like year from RG3 either. I am thinking somewhere in the 8-8 range, with ups and downs. Secondary will be one of the downs.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by mooby

This. I'm not drinking the kool-aid yet. And I don't expect a Newton-like year from RG3 either. I am thinking somewhere in the 8-8 range, with ups and downs. Secondary will be one of the downs.

Why not?

Griffin is faster, smarter and has a better arm. Newton had ONE competent WR to throw to. Without Steve Smith, newton would have no one. He has a better O-line than RG3, but Griffin can run out of trouble just as well or better and has a better stable of RBs in my opinion.

He should AT LEAST match Newton's numbers, but I'd expect far fewer mistakes (INTs) and a better completion rate.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Why not?

Griffin is faster, smarter and has a better arm. Newton had ONE competent WR to throw to. Without Steve Smith, newton would have no one. He has a better O-line than RG3, but Griffin can run out of trouble just as well or better and has a better stable of RBs in my opinion.

He should AT LEAST match Newton's numbers, but I'd expect far fewer mistakes (INTs) and a better completion rate.

All of Griffin's attributes are debatable, but my key reason for not drinking the kool-aid is the fact that he's a rookie qb. Newton is not the benchmark for which all rookie qb's should be judged by, as far as I'm concerned he's the exception, at least until seasons like the one he had are commonplace for a rookie qb. Newton also had two elite running backs in the backfield, and a wr who has stepped his game up when he has a decent qb under center. I hope the same can happen with Moss but I'm not holding my breath.

Long story short, I really hope RG3 proves me wrong, but if he played average to above-average football this year I won't be suprised. I don't expect him to be Jimmy Clausen 2.0, but I think he'll have his growing pains.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Why not? [Griffin having a Newton like year]

This strikes me as a rhetorical question.
Keep in mind I consider myself an objective fan and my answers will be likewise objective.
Also, remember that I'm one of the few that believes that Griffin is/was a better prospect then Luck.
With that preamble in place, flame suit on...

Griffin is faster, smarter and has a better arm. Newton had ONE competent WR to throw to. Without Steve Smith, newton would have no one. He has a better O-line than RG3, but Griffin can run out of trouble just as well or better and has a better stable of RBs in my opinion.

Faster? Yes.
Smarter? Who knows? Booksmarts don't matter, football smart is all I care about we're not talking rocket science here afterall look at Terry Brandshaw or Phillip Rivers.
Better arm? I'll say its even, but that because I'm a homer.
You ask me objectively I say Cam.

Receivers? Griff
OL? Panthers by far.
RBs? Panthers by far.

Goaline running/scoring threat?
Offensive coaching staff embracing the spread/read option concepts?

He should AT LEAST match Newton's numbers, but I'd expect far fewer mistakes (INTs) and a better completion rate.

I actually agree that Griffin could match Cam's passing numbers because judging by Kyle's first 2 season Griffin could set the rookie record for passing attempts.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I don't think you are crazy. I am tempted to make similar predictions. But I am trying not to drink too much koolaid before camp even starts. I've been burned before.

I originally typed 11-5 before remembering we have Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Cincy this year.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

I originally typed 11-5 before remembering we have Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Cincy this year.

Does anyone else feel like the defense for Baltimore and Pittsburgh is starting to fall off a little bit? I'd worry more about that offensive line for the Steelers more than anything.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Does anyone else feel like the defense for Baltimore and Pittsburgh is starting to fall off a little bit? I'd worry more about that offensive line for the Steelers more than anything.

Not at all. First off, both have top 5 FO in the league. Both always seem to find guys to replace their fading talent. Check what Pittsburg did in the draft...drafted a couple studs for the Oline. They will be fine.

These teams depend on the draft to grow their teams and dont go out and spend stupid money. Seems to work.