Gun Control Thread- Should we?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by saden1

He killed 20 seven year old children up close with a high capacity-powered rifle within a matter of minutes. He could have killed a whole lot more. These are children getting killed with military style weapon. These are not weapons of defense, these are weapons offense whose purpose is to kill many and quickly. Killing has become a sport in this country. It is now a game where the next mass murderer tries to up the guy before him.


I can't get the image of young children in a corner, frozen, in-capable of understanding the situation getting rapidly peppered with 3 to 11 bullets. The look in their eyes, their little frail bodies reverberating.

Yep that's what I think, it's like a real life COD now, everyone using assault rifles, tear gas etc. It's a damn shame that anyone can get these weapons that easy IMO.

[RedskinRat]

May have been better phrased as 'can't physically discipline' not touch unless FD's on another cock snorting binge.

Just to add a little clarity to the sad topic, we live in the least violent times since records were started.

Why do so many people think we live in incredibly violent times?
I think there are a number of systematic biases, what I call "historical myopia" being one of them. The closer you get to the present, the better the records are, and I think this is a major distorter of our impressions of violence. We know about every massacre that has taken place close to the present, but the ones in the distant past are like trees falling in the forest with no one to hear them.


S Pinker

[RedskinRat]

Where did I say 'pointless'?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Where did I say 'pointless'?

A 'feel good', knee-jerk piece of legislation designed to placate sheeple.

All you're doing is trolling. There isn't a single post where you intimate anything can be done or should be done. If you truly believe semi-automatic rifles (why semi-automatic? why not full automatic?) are necessary and useful for self-defense I don't believe you're of sound mind and it makes it hard to take you seriously.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by saden1

There isn't a single post where you intimate anything can be done or should be done.

The pro gun crowd doesn't have answers. Some even seem to ignore the alarming stats that point to a serious problem. I cannot fathom how they don't find concern with the sheer amount of guns owned in the country. If guns aren't he problem...or a part of it...then what is?

Who here denies that we have a gun violence issue in the country?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

The pro gun crowd doesn't have answers. Some even seem to ignore the alarming stats that point to a serious problem. I cannot fathom how they don't find concern with the sheer amount of guns owned in the country. If guns aren't he problem...or a part of it...then what is?

Who here denies that we have a gun violence issue in the country?

How about the everyday video game violence? These kids sit in front of a TV playing these games everyday and somehow they have no affect on kids?

Who here denies we have a millions of kids eveyday watching and playing very violent video games?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by firstdown

How about the everyday video game violence? These kids sit in front of a TV playing these games everyday and somehow they have no affect on kids?

Who here denies we have a millions of kids eveyday watching and playing very violent video games?

Right...my point that I am making rather inelegantly is that the problem is clearly very complicated and multi-factored...but guns are absolutely part of the problem. Or more accurately the fact that we own so many guns in this country is an indicator of a deeper problem that is caused by many different things. But the pro-gun crowd seems to want to ignore the "fact" that we own TOO MANY guns in this country. Perhaps gun control isn't the answer to effectively reducing them but we do need to reduce them.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Right...my point that I am making rather inelegantly is that the problem is clearly very complicated and multi-factored...but guns are absolutely part of the problem. Or more accurately the fact that we own so many guns in this country is an indicator of a deeper problem that is caused by many different things. But the pro-gun crowd seems to want to ignore the "fact" that we own TOO MANY guns in this country. Perhaps gun control isn't the answer to effectively reducing them but we do need to reduce them.

Reduce them?
How?
Which kind?
How many?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Right...my point that I am making rather inelegantly is that the problem is clearly very complicated and multi-factored...but guns are absolutely part of the problem. Or more accurately the fact that we own so many guns in this country is an indicator of a deeper problem that is caused by many different things. But the pro-gun crowd seems to want to ignore the "fact" that we own TOO MANY guns in this country. Perhaps gun control isn't the answer to effectively reducing them but we do need to reduce them.

There is absolutely no correlation between the amount of guns a person owns to crime rate. There is also no evidence of any deep problem or any problem at all, with the ownership of multiple guns. It is no more of an indicator of deep seeded issues than someone owning multiple cars or multiple guitars.

There is no definition of "too many" guns in this country. There is no such thing. So, there is no such evidence to support that reducing the amount of guns in this country would reduce the amount of violent crimes in this country.

Reducing the amount of guns does nothing to treat the mentally ill who commit these crimes. If people focused their attention, arguments, and efforts behind helping to improve behavioral healthcare, then you would start seeing tangible differences in crime rate. There is where you start to see more of a correlation: behavioral health issues = crime.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

How about the everyday video game violence? These kids sit in front of a TV playing these games everyday and somehow they have no affect on kids?

Who here denies we have a millions of kids eveyday watching and playing very violent video games?

That goes back to a parenting issue.

And I'm not a big believer that violent video games create violent people. Gotta look a little deeper than that.

[RedskinRat]

When did wearing all black become
'War fatigues'?

<point_laugh>

[saden1]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

When did wearing all black become
'War fatigues'?

<point_laugh>

Wow...you try so hard and still manage to ooze incompetence. Grownup folks are trying to have a meaningful discussion now so please do us a favor and seek attention elsewhere.

[RedskinRat]

Again, when did wearing all black fatigues constitute 'War fatigues'?

You can't answer that question so you try to divert attention.

Keep it up, your hysterical bed-wetting debate style amuses me.

Continue.

[RedskinRat]

I agree, skinsguy. Using the analogy of drunk drivers it's similar, I think. We shouldn't be banning booze, but addressing the abuse of alcohol by some drivers.

It's unfair to ban something because it's abused by a small, identifiable section of the population.

[RedskinRat]

If someone owns 1,000 firearms and never abuses them why should they be limited?

Wrong-headed thinking.