Gun Control Thread- Should we?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Indulge me on the last paragraph please.
Without Googling, tell me what an "assault rifle is" and why should it be banned?
And since I can go buy all the .223 I want at Wal Mart, why should I not get it off the internet?

To your second question first, I don't think it should be so easy at a WalMart either but there's no screening at all on the Internet. You say you're a 40 some year old man from Michigan, you could be a 12 year girl in Budapest for all I know.

To your first question, I know where you're going with this. As you already did in the other thread. But I don't know what the need is to have a rapid fire weapon like that.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

To your second question first, I don't think it should be so easy at a WalMart either but there's no screening at all on the Internet. You say you're a 40 some year old man from Michigan, you could be a 12 year girl in Budapest for all I know.

To your first question, I know where you're going with this. As you already did in the other thread. But I don't know what the need is to have a rapid fire weapon like that.

I agree you should not be able to buy any guns or ammo over the internet. While I'm for the right to own guns I also think we could improve our laws. Here in Va I'd like to see a back ground checks done for even personal gun sales. As it is today any individual can sell a gun to another individual without a back ground check of any kind. Most people have heard of the Gun Show loophole and that's it because individuals also sell guns at these shows.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I agree you should not be able to buy any guns or ammo over the internet. While I'm for the right to own guns I also think we could improve our laws. Here in Va I'd like to see a back ground checks done for even personal gun sales. As it is today any individual can sell a gun to another individual without a back ground check of any kind. Most people have heard of the Gun Show loophole and that's it because individuals also sell guns at these shows.

I buy all my guns this way whenever possible. While i think it would be ridiculous to require a background check for private sales i would be okay with a law that says you have to personally know someone or show an ID to buy a gun. Or maybe if no ID is avialable you have to write a reciept.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

I buy all my guns this way whenever possible. While i think it would be ridiculous to require a background check for private sales i would be okay with a law that says you have to personally know someone or show an ID to buy a gun. Or maybe if no ID is avialable you have to write a reciept.

I have a problem with that. So John with a clear back ground can go buy a gun and sell it to Mike who wants it to gang bang and no back ground check.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I have a problem with that. So John with a clear back ground can go buy a gun and sell it to Mike who wants it to gang bang and no back ground check.

Correct. The same holds true for Josh with a perfect driving record who sells a fast car to Mark who wants to use it for speed racing and who is without a license and insurance.

I have only sold (was actually a partial trade for a non firearm item plus cash) one gun like this. But i have bought many guns this way. In fact i even traded a "hot rod" (dont worry it wasnt to Mark) style elCamanio Conquista for several thousand dollars worth of guns/ammo/accesories plus a thousand or so of cash. I know how redneck and outlandish that last statement may sound, but i swear im not a redneck. Heck i was at a Boyz II Men concert a month or so ago.

My understanding of the law is that the seller retains some responsibilties in these sales. So lets say i sold firstdown a gun. I would have to reasonably suspect that he is a VA resident, at least 21 years old, not a felon, or suspect that he would use it in a unlawful way. I am also not allowed to be a dealer or a person selling a gun that i bought for the sole prupose of reselling it. *I think the dealer thing is tricky and there may be some exceptions.

A few things ive noticed in my personal experience of buying/selling guns like this. Many people doing this are police, military or the like. Many people will only sell to CCP holders and/or require multiple forms of ID. Many people doing this are trading firearms for other firearms. When i say many i mean around 50%.

Additional I think in 3 of the times i bought guns this way, the kids or familes of the seller were present. In nearly every instance the transactions have taken place in parking lots with lots of "innocent" people around (scary for the anti-gun folk, right?). There was a guy that stuttered real bad once, but besides that none of the people ive delt with would come across as weird in any way and only one guy (the guy who wanted the elCamino....) was what i would call an obvious redneck.

I add that last paragraph because i think as Smoot and Mredskins noted ealier it is in many ways a cultural thing. To the guys selling guns with their kid next to them, it didnt come across as not normal in any way whatsoever.

I was brought up in a very anti-gun household and the first time i bought a gun via private party it was very strange and uncomfortable; however, now it doesnt seem odd or frightening to me at all. I think many of us (myself included) were raised in households without guns around and were taught to fear them, not respect and appreciate them. With that in mind perhaps the only gun control we need is hands on experience in our public schools?

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

To your second question first, I don't think it should be so easy at a WalMart either but there's no screening at all on the Internet. You say you're a 40 some year old man from Michigan, you could be a 12 year girl in Budapest for all I know.

To your first question, I know where you're going with this. As you already did in the other thread. But I don't know what the need is to have a rapid fire weapon like that.

I have bought ammo on the internet.
I had to register with the buyer first, and supply a fair amount of info.
Then I had to provide a copy of my scanned drivers license and have a matching shipping address for the delivery.
So your Budapest comments are way off.

And I still dont think you know what an "assault weapon" is because they fire as rapidly as a lot of deer rifles. And the large magazine debate is pretty stoopid since they are so easy to modify.

The "need " is - they are a freakin riot of fun to shoot on the range.
And since I'm harmless and practice gun safety like a lot of other guys, why deprive me.

And your I dont know comment that I have marked in red is because you know very little (at least thats the perception you give me) about firearms and the shooting community in general.
And if this is true I would prefer people like you not voting on gun issues.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

And since I'm harmless and practice gun safety like a lot of other guys, why deprive me.

Because society is now decided by the lowest, most inept common denominator.

Thin the fricken herd, already!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

I have bought ammo on the internet.
I had to register with the buyer first, and supply a fair amount of info.
Then I had to provide a copy of my scanned drivers license and have a matching shipping address for the delivery.
So your Budapest comments are way off.

And I still dont think you know what an "assault weapon" is because they fire as rapidly as a lot of deer rifles. And the large magazine debate is pretty stoopid since they are so easy to modify.

The "need " is - they are a freakin riot of fun to shoot on the range.
And since I'm harmless and practice gun safety like a lot of other guys, why deprive me.

Well thanks for educating me on the Internet piece.

As for the "need"...we can't always have what we want.

But whatever, it's a culture I just don't understand.