We've got big trouble on the OL.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Another way to look at it:

Pass protection is made up of 3 elements
1)WR/TE their ability to get open run correct routes
2) QB play able to make quick decisions/scramble
3) Blocking (OL, TE, RB's shoot even WR's on some plays)

IMO the Redskins have upgraded 2 of 3 elements listed above those alone should improve our over all pass protection. To just say OL most improve only is actually very short sighted.

Valid points.
I think you can reasonably add: scheme/play design/playcalling, blitz pick-up/coaching, pocket presence/poisepass protection, throwing motion/release time (ihow fast can the QB set-up and throw a quick pass?) are all elements of pass protection.

However the simplest and most directly impactful aspect of pass protection will always begin and end with the OL.

Sure, you can scheme and use various factors to compensate for a lack of physical ability at the point of attack.
For example *(hypothetical follows) if an OL cannot hold up in pass protection to execute 5 and 7 step drops you have to rely on 3 step drop passing game to move the ball and keep your fingers crossed and hope play-action can create time to throw deeper stuff.
Your gonna be heavily dependent upon: quick release, decision making, blitz-pick/reading coverage (coaching), scheme playcalling to create effective play-action chances and to get WRs open in the short passing game etc.
But, those 5 and 7 step drop pass plays have effectively been removed from your playbook by the OL and there is literally nothing you can do about it unless you get new OL.

Does that mean a team can't work around it and find a way to win? No.
But, it certainly makes the job more difficult because it limits how they can win.
It would be much easier if that team had adequate pass protection to use 5 and 7 step drop passing game.

So while Griff and Garcon co. indirectly improve the pass protection.
It won't matter if the pass protection doesn't hold up.
At the end of the day the best way and most impactful way to improve pass protection is to actually have players that can win at the point of attack.
Hopefully we have some OL that will be equal to the task.

[Monkeydad]

Lets make a list of all rostered linemen. I'm thinking we're actually deeper than we're giving ourselves credit for.


Tackles:
77 Brown, Jammal
60 Black, Jordan
74 Polumbus, Tyler
69 Smith, Willie
71 Williams, Trent
68 Compton, Tom
75 Lee, James


Guards:
66 Chester, Chris
73 Gettis, Adam
79 Hurt, Maurice
67 LeRibeus, Josh
62 Martinez, Nick
78 Lichtensteiger, Kory (G/C)


Centers:
61 Garner, Grant
58 Cook, Erik (C/G)
63 Montgomery, Will (C/G)

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Lets make a list of all rostered linemen. I'm thinking we're actually deeper than we're giving ourselves credit for.


Tackles:
77 Brown, Jammal
60 Black, Jordan
74 Polumbus, Tyler
69 Smith, Willie
71 Williams, Trent
68 Compton, Tom
75 Lee, James


Guards:
66 Chester, Chris
73 Gettis, Adam
79 Hurt, Maurice
67 LeRibeus, Josh
62 Martinez, Nick
78 Lichtensteiger, Kory (G/C)


Centers:
61 Garner, Grant
58 Cook, Erik (C/G)
63 Montgomery, Will (C/G)

You may be correct. What is worrying, though, is how genuine that tackle depth is. SS reported above that Willie Smith has been struggling. Graziano reports here that Polumbus has been struggling. This leaves the question open regarding what kind of RT play we will get.
Impressions from Redskins practice - NFC East Blog - ESPN

Personally I'm not joining the sky-is-falling chorus but I am concerned a bit.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Lets make a list of all rostered linemen. I'm thinking we're actually deeper than we're giving ourselves credit for.


Tackles:
77 Brown, Jammal Always hurt
60 Black, Jordan Who?
74 Polumbus, Tyler Decent Backup
69 Smith, Willie Regressing and hurt
71 Williams, Trent Solid starter
68 Compton, Tom Unknown
75 Lee, James Pu-leeze!


Guards:
66 Chester, Chris Average
73 Gettis, Adam Unknown
79 Hurt, Maurice Showed promise
67 LeRibeus, Josh Unknown
62 Martinez, Nick Huh?
78 Lichtensteiger, Kory (G/C) Good player

Centers:
61 Garner, Grant No
58 Cook, Erik (C/G) Failed to impress
63 Montgomery, Will (C/G) Average

Depth has never been the key to a great OL. It's 5 talented starters who can stay healthy and play together as a smooth functioning unit. We don't have that.

[mredskins]

The thread title reminded me of this:

[The Goat]

^^ I think the problem is depth at the tackle position and quality of starter at RT, especially depending on Smith's status.

[JoeRedskin]

Well, that sucks. I hear what everyone is saying about the lack of talent and depth at tackle - particularly since it sounds as if the guys we were counting on to step up have actually stepped back and Brown is done.

Time for Compton to show us what a steal he was. <sigh>

[Dirtbag59]

Bring back Rabach.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Bring back Rabach.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Bring back Rabach.

Surely you can't be serious.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Surely you can't be serious.

Why would he joke about such a thing? Rabach is available and we do need linemen.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by mooby

Why would he joke about such a thing? Rabach is available and we do need linemen.

You could pay *me* a lot less to be picked up and launched into the backfield every play. (Of course I'd have to be taught how to make protection calls on the line. And I wouldn't survive the first three downs...)

Bringing Rabach back would be worse than bringing Stephon Heyer back to fill our vacancy at RT. Casey hasn't played since we cut him. He failed a physical with the Ravens last season. He was good, but all good things...

edit: And I think Monty outplayed Rabach as a sub, against who the Titans?

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Surely you can't be serious.

Dont you mean, "Shirley you can't be serious.."?????

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Dont you mean, "Shirley you can't be serious.."?????

Don't call me Shirley.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Bring back Rabach.

LOL, heck might as well suit up George Starke, his a$$ is a Redskins park more than the Shanahans.