We've got big trouble on the OL.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

There may not have been. People are hoping a six round pick in Compton is the answer. The grass is always greener though when it comes to a pick you think the team should have made instead of the one they did.

[SmootSmack]

I've never really understood the "I don't know if there were any good linemen at that point in the draft, but we should have taken one anyway" argument

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I've never really understood the "I don't know if there were any good linemen at that point in the draft, but we should have taken one anyway" argument

What about the "Brown has been injured since day 1 with the Skins, but this year it will be different" argument or the "RG3 will make the Oline better". Because rookie QB usually have that affect on Olines.

This is completely on Shanny and Bruce. Ive been relatively easy on and supportive of both, but I think its a bit naive to depend on Willie Smith as plan B for a RT who hasn't performed the entire time in the B&G. I dunno, is that an unreasonable view? I'm hoping for the best and by no means think this is the end of season, but jeez its a lil perplexing we wouldn't a have a better plan RT at this point.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

What about the "Brown has been injured since day 1 with the Skins, but this year it will be different" argument or the "RG3 will make the Oline better". Because rookie QB usually have that affect on Olines.

This is completely on Shanny and Bruce. Ive been relatively easy on and supportive of both, but I think its a bit naive to depend on Willie Smith as plan B for a RT who hasn't performed the entire time in the B&G. I dunno, is that an unreasonable view? I'm hoping for the best and by no means think this is the end of season, but jeez its a lil perplexing we wouldn't a have a better plan RT at this point.

Actually Polumbus would be plan B.

I guess I just don't see the big deal considering we were down 3 starters last year for the last month or so, and the line played arguably their best ball of the season during that stretch.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I've never really understood the "I don't know if there were any good linemen at that point in the draft, but we should have taken one anyway" argument

Haven't heard this argument.
But, there were good OL prospects.

Whether or not they become good lineman remains to be seen like with any prospect at any position.

[RGIII]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Haven't heard this argument.
But, there were good OL prospects.

Whether or not they become good lineman remains to be seen like with any prospect at any position.

Drafting an OT instead of Cousins would've made sense too. Doesn't mean that OT would've been any better than Polumbus, Smith, or Black at this point in the season or down the road.

However, that OT could've been just as promising depth-wise as Cousins is.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by RGIII

Drafting an OT instead of Cousins would've made sense too. Doesn't mean that OT would've been any better than Polumbus, Smith, or Black at this point in the season or down the road.

However, that OT could've been just as promising depth-wise as Cousins is.

And probably more likely to play for us. Not knocking the pick we made... if we didn't think anyone could contribute more to the team then fine.

[RGIII]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

And probably more likely to play for us. Not knocking the pick we made... if we didn't think anyone could contribute more to the team then fine.

The world will never know...

[30gut]

Originally Posted by RGIII

Drafting an OT instead of Cousins would've made sense too. Doesn't mean that OT would've been any better than Polumbus, Smith, or Black at this point in the season or down the road.

However, that OT could've been just as promising depth-wise as Cousins is.

Bringing Cousins into the discussion just confuses the discussion with peoples knee jerk desire to defend the Cousins pick so I'm not gonna comment on it.
But, with Jammal Brown's level of play, injury and missed starts an argument could be made that addressing the RT position should have been a higher priority.
I like profootball focus metrics and Jammal Brown had a terrible rating. (-18)
According to PFF Tyler was better then Brown but not by much (-16), but at least Tyler is young and you expect him to improve with playing time and maybe he develops into a league average RT?

But, right now that's just a hope.
And if Tyler is gonna be a starter then where is our quality depth?

Imo finding a more certain solution to the RT situation should have been a much higher priority.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Bringing Cousins into the discussion just confuses the discussion with peoples knee jerk desire to defend the Cousins pick so I'm not gonna comment on it.
But, with Jammal Brown's level of play, injury and missed starts an argument could be made that addressing the RT position should have been a higher priority.
I like profootball focus metrics and Jammal Brown had a terrible rating. (-18)
According to PFF Tyler was better then Brown but not by much (-16), but at least Tyler is young and you expect him to improve with playing time and maybe he develops into a league average RT?

But, right now that's just a hope.
And if Tyler is gonna be a starter then where is our quality depth?

Imo finding a more certain solution to the RT situation should have been a much higher priority.

What knee jerk desire to defend? Is that somehow different from the knee jerk "well we should have drafted an OL there" Never mind that we went OL with the pick before Cousins.

We have had a lot of areas to address over the past two years: needed a franchise caliber LT-drafted Williams; needed to upgrade at WR-drafted Hankerson, signed Garcon and Morgan; needed youth at RB-drafted Helu and Royster; needed help for Orakpo-drafted Kerrigan; needed a franchise QB for the next 15 years (hopefully)-drafted RG3; needed to shore up the offensive interior-signed Kory L. (funny how so many are mourning his injury when just two years ago they thought he was a bum), signed Chester, drafted LeRibeus and Gettis...and so on.

And let's not act like we made no effort to address the OL this off-season through FA. We spoke to Winston, Bell, Mathis. Sucks that they didn't come, sure but it wasn't for lack of trying. Many factors, including the salary cap penalty hurt us. And you could say well we shouldn't added Morgan and Garcon. Well then what do you do, sit around, hope an OT signs with you, and when he doesn't you just assume WRs are there?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Bringing Cousins into the discussion just confuses the discussion with peoples knee jerk desire to defend the Cousins pick so I'm not gonna comment on it.
But, with Jammal Brown's level of play, injury and missed starts an argument could be made that addressing the RT position should have been a higher priority.
I like profootball focus metrics and Jammal Brown had a terrible rating. (-18)
According to PFF Tyler was better then Brown but not by much (-16), but at least Tyler is young and you expect him to improve with playing time and maybe he develops into a league average RT?

But, right now that's just a hope.
And if Tyler is gonna be a starter then where is our quality depth?

Imo finding a more certain solution to the RT situation should have been a much higher priority.

I don't think there can be any reasonable argument made backup QB was a greater need than RT starter/depth for what it's worth. The debate of WR vs RT is a good one; however, I come down solidly on the oline side of the debate, particularly when it's a rookie QB expected to be our superstar. In that respect, the risk, calculated or not, our FA took by neglecting the RT position is pretty shocking...something I'd expect from the 1st time HC like Zorn.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I've never really understood the "I don't know if there were any good linemen at that point in the draft, but we should have taken one anyway" argument

Honestly SS unless guys here are scouts or members of the team, how would any of us really know who fits and what they want out of a player or even who they are targeting as a need? It's football and I don't have enough time with a family, work, and school to tell you who is good to draft in the fourth round.

Basically right now I like the Cousins pick. They tried to fill a need on this team. A decent backup qb was a need and found a guy in cousins who they felt filled the need.

[That Guy]

the sky isn't falling, but there is reason to be concerned. our OL isn't super to begin with, and striking a couple starters isn't helpful.

There just wasn't much at OT this year. OTs and CBs will be available next year, which bruce allen has already talked about.

[MTK]

Well in some good news it sounds like TW is having a strong camp.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Well in some good news it sounds like TW is having a strong camp.

Yeah, you gotta like the part where Shanny said that TW is more focused than he's ever been. That doesn't seem like ordinary coach-speak.