North Carolina passes same-sex marriage ban

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

NCSkins are you boycotting Chic Fil a over this?

If I were to boycott everything that I stood against, chances are I wouldn't spend any of my money ever again.


Banks - part of the biggest swindle in US history. (legally at that)
Corporation- responsible for injecting money into politics to help favor their business models and avoid taxes.
Oil - a good bit of our oil comes from OPEC which is comprised of countries, who support inhumane religious practices and beliefs.


Chances are, I can find something that a company funds that I don't agree with. That said, I don't go to chick-fil-a often as is, but I have no problem staying away from them either.

Also, I find it sad that christians can go out of their way to support anti-gay measures, yet can't do the same for say...homeless people or other individuals in need. Which would you consider a pressing issue?


One more for the lulz:

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

If I were to boycott everything that I stood against, chances are I wouldn't spend any of my money ever again.


Banks - part of the biggest swindle in US history. (legally at that)
Corporation- responsible for injecting money into politics to help favor their business models and avoid taxes.
Oil - a good bit of our oil comes from OPEC which is comprised of countries, who support inhumane religious practices and beliefs.


Chances are, I can find something that a company funds that I don't agree with. That said, I don't go to chick-fil-a often as is, but I have no problem staying away from them either.

Also, I find it sad that christians can go out of their way to support anti-gay measures, yet can't do the same for say...homeless people or other individuals in need. Which would you consider a pressing issue?


One more for the lulz:

Thats just one stupid statement from a totally stupid post. You really think that churches do nothing to feed the hiomeless? Who do you think supports and pays for most soup kitchens. It seem you need to get out and voluter some and see how much churches actuall y do to help the community.


Soup kitchen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I see you have problems with Companies donating money to politicians. Do you have the same problem with unions that do the same thing?

Whats the swindle of the banks?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Thats just one stupid statement from a totally stupid post. You really think that churches do nothing to feed the hiomeless? Who do you think supports and pays for most soup kitchens. It seem you need to get out and voluter some and see how much churches actuall y do to help the community.

First off, I've never claimed that churches didn't help people, nor did I say they didn't help feed the needy so not sure how you pulled that out of what I said. I said it's a shame they can't "go out of their way" to help the homeless like this. If I'm wrong about that, can you please show me where any lines were 3 hours long or cars backed up for miles just to help out the homeless and needy? I'll pull up a chair and wait on this...


FYI: I grew up in a christian home, I live in the bible belt, I went to a private christian school.

Soup kitchen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What is this posted for? I know what a soup kitchen is. You got any numbers of how many hours and money are put in by the church as opposed to non-church? I'll wait patiently.

Originally Posted by firstdown

I see you have problems with Companies donating money to politicians. Do you have the same problem with unions that do the same thing?

Whats the swindle of the banks?

Well, unions are there to help the workers fight off baron robbers. That said, I think unions can be, at times, destructive and inefficient in the grand scheme of things. I think you missed the whole point. The whole point was for me to list a few basic things that encompass our daily spending(gas, goods, savings) that are used for things we may not endorse. It's not that complicated, but if you would like me to submit a 20 page document, than I'll need you to pay pal me some money over for my time.

You seriously need me to tell you what the banks did?...lol Bailouts? Look at what's going on in the UK with LIBOR. Common man!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

First off, I've never claimed that churches didn't help people, nor did I say they didn't help feed the needy so not sure how you pulled that out of what I said. I said it's a shame they can't "go out of their way" to help the homeless like this. If I'm wrong about that, can you please show me where any lines were 3 hours long or cars backed up for miles just to help out the homeless and needy? I'll pull up a chair and wait on this...


FYI: I grew up in a christian home, I live in the bible belt, I went to a private christian school.






What is this posted for? I know what a soup kitchen is. You got any numbers of how many hours and money are put in by the church as opposed to non-church? I'll wait patiently.




Well, unions are there to help the workers fight off baron robbers. That said, I think unions can be, at times, destructive and inefficient in the grand scheme of things. I think you missed the whole point. The whole point was for me to list a few basic things that encompass our daily spending(gas, goods, savings) that are used for things we may not endorse. It's not that complicated, but if you would like me to submit a 20 page document, than I'll need you to pay pal me some money over for my time.

You seriously need me to tell you what the banks did?...lol Bailouts? Look at what's going on in the UK with LIBOR. Common man!

You have never been to a BBQ to raise money for a church which feeds the poor. People pack churches every week and they pass a tray to make donations. Hell just 3 months back we had over 500 people waiting in lines to buy food and beer to help the poor. Having a golf event on Sept 7 which will have around 140 golfers at $100 a man to raise money for the poor. I could a 100 pages on people gathering to help rais money for the poor so you can quit waiting. Maybe you should try joing an organization that helps the poor and you would actually see what people do to help them.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You have never been to a BBQ to raise money for a church which feeds the poor. People pack churches every week and they pass a tray to make donations. Hell just 3 months back we had over 500 people waiting in lines to buy food and beer to help the poor. Having a golf event on Sept 7 which will have around 140 golfers at $100 a man to raise money for the poor. I could a 100 pages on people gathering to help rais money for the poor so you can quit waiting. Maybe you should try joing an organization that helps the poor and you would actually see what people do to help them.

Still waiting NC?

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Still waiting NC?

Good luck! He still wont tell me if hes boycotting CFA or not.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Good luck! He still wont tell me if hes boycotting CFA or not.

You nerds calm down. It's my birthday and answering your questions has been the least of my worries.


I think I explained my stance on "boycotting". I think it was pretty clear.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You have never been to a BBQ to raise money for a church which feeds the poor. People pack churches every week and they pass a tray to make donations. Hell just 3 months back we had over 500 people waiting in lines to buy food and beer to help the poor. Having a golf event on Sept 7 which will have around 140 golfers at $100 a man to raise money for the poor. I could a 100 pages on people gathering to help rais money for the poor so you can quit waiting. Maybe you should try joing an organization that helps the poor and you would actually see what people do to help them.

I was raised in a Baptist church no beer my friend. You still didn't get the jest of my post. It wasn't to say that churches don't help the poor and needy, but I have NEVER EVER seen or heard about around the country where people waited in lines and went way out of their way to support the poor and needy. Holding a BBQ or a golf tournament isn't going out of the way. Waiting in line for 3 hours to get a chicken sandwich to "support" a group is going out of your way.

You could get 100 pages of people gathering money, and I could gather 1,000 times that of people gathering money and doing things for the poor and needy that don't believe in god.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You could get 100 pages of people gathering money, and I could gather 1,000 times that of people gathering money and doing things for the poor and needy that don't believe in god.

...enough said!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I was raised in a Baptist church no beer my friend. You still didn't get the jest of my post. It wasn't to say that churches don't help the poor and needy, but I have NEVER EVER seen or heard about around the country where people waited in lines and went way out of their way to support the poor and needy. Holding a BBQ or a golf tournament isn't going out of the way. Waiting in line for 3 hours to get a chicken sandwich to "support" a group is going out of your way.

You could get 100 pages of people gathering money, and I could gather 1,000 times that of people gathering money and doing things for the poor and needy that don't believe in god.

Really, you tell that to the people who spent hours upon hours organizing an event like those. We start 4 months prior to the golf outing getting it organized. Your just wrong and don't want to admitt it. Also I never injected god into this it was you.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Really, you tell that to the people who spent hours upon hours organizing an event like those. We start 4 months prior to the golf outing getting it organized. Your just wrong and don't want to admitt it. Also I never injected god into this it was you.

*sigh*


What is it with you? Why is it so F'n hard to understand what I said? You take one statement, and turn it into something completely different that I didn't say nor implied.

Let me go over this one more time with you.

Also, I find it sad that christians can go out of their way to support anti-gay measures, yet can't do the same for say...homeless people or other individuals in need. Which would you consider a pressing issue?

I even mentioned specifically the "waiting 3 hours in a line for chicken sandwich to support a homophobic individual" as a measure of "going out of your way.

It wasn't to say that churches don't help the poor and needy, but I have NEVER EVER seen or heard about around the country where people waited in lines and went way out of their way to support the poor and needy.

SO again, can any of you religious people point out to me where the christians have united nationwide (much like they did here) for a cause to help the poor and homeless? Can you show me one instance where christians on a mass level waited 3 hours just to help out some poor guy or some homeless person?

I think I'm quite aware that christians and churches help the poor and needy, but never seen anything organized like what was done for Chick-fila to help the poor and needy. Your local BBQ and gold tournament isn't even remotely on the same level as what happened on August 1st.

FD, I realize that the few people involved with arranging the BBQ and golf tournament put in hard work, but the majority of the people showing up do so to eat and golf and that's about it. I've been to a number of of these events and did diddly squat. Guess what? My family holds a annual golf tournament to help fund scholarships for a church my grandmother attended. Sure there are about 10-15 people or so that put in a ton of work to market it, plan it, and execute it. This still isn't anything remotely what I'm referring to and you know it. Great so you got a handful of people busting their asses to get a BBQ and gold tournament. How about the rest of the people?

Stop taking my comments out of context and twisting them into something that I haven't said.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I said it's a shame they can't "go out of their way" to help the homeless like this. If I'm wrong about that, can you please show me where any lines were 3 hours long or cars backed up for miles just to help out the homeless and needy? I'll pull up a chair and wait on this...

There are millions of Christians who spend many more hours.....per week.....actually working helping others.

Now let's talk about donations. In one division, of one charity, of one specific faith, specifically Catholic Charities of NY, annual donations for individuals and businesses were over $ 16M in a year. At let's say an average pay rate of $ 17 / hr. after taxes, that would equate to over 940,000 hours of work/pay that were donated.

Let's not be obtuse here, Christians donate a great deal to help others and much more than the non-religious. Can I quantify that, not without more time than I'm willing to put into this discussion, but I can guarantee you can't come up with anything to refute that statement.

I'll be patiently waiting

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

There are millions of Christians who spend many more hours.....per week.....actually working helping others.

Now let's talk about donations. In one division, of one charity, of one specific faith, specifically Catholic Charities of NY, annual donations for individuals and businesses were over $ 16M in a year. At let's say an average pay rate of $ 17 / hr. after taxes, that would equate to over 940,000 hours of work/pay that were donated.

Let's not be obtuse here, Christians donate a great deal to help others and much more than the non-religious. Can I quantify that, not without more time than I'm willing to put into this discussion, but I can guarantee you can't come up with anything to refute that statement.

I'll be patiently waiting

O' RLY?



Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To maintain its status as a charitable foundation, it must donate at least 5% of its assets each year.[17] Thus the donations from the foundation each year would amount to over US$1.5 billion at a minimum.

The President of the Global Health Program is Trevor Mundel. The Gates Foundation has quickly become a major influence upon global health; the approximately US$800 million that the foundation gives every year for global health approaches the annual budget of the United Nations World Health Organization (193 nations) and is comparable to the funds given to fight infectious disease by the United States Agency for International Development.[20] The Foundation currently provides 17% (US$86 million in 2006) of the world budget for the attempted eradication of poliomyelitis (polio).[21]

The Global Health Program's other significant grants include:

The Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization
The foundation gave The Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization a donation of US$750 million on January 25, 2005.[22][23]

Children's Vaccine Program
The Children's Vaccine Program, run by the Program for Appropriate Technology in Health (PATH), received a donation of US$27 million to help vaccinate against Japanese encephalitis on December 9, 2003.[24]

University of Washington Department of Global Health
The foundation provided approximately US$30 million for the foundation of the new Department of Global Health at the University of Washington in Seattle. The donation promoted three of the Foundation's target areas: education, Pacific Northwest and global health. The foundation also lead a study to increase access to high education globally.

HIV Research
The foundation has donated a grand total of US$287 million to various HIV/AIDS researchers. The money was split between sixteen different research teams across the world, on the condition that they share their findings with one another.[25]

Aeras Global TB Vaccine Foundation
The foundation gave the Aeras Global TB Vaccine Foundation more than US$280 million to develop and license an improved vaccine against tuberculosis for use in high burden countries.[26][27]

Visceral Leishmaniasis Research
The foundation awarded the Hebrew University of Jerusalem Kuvin Center for the Study of Infectious and Tropical Diseases a $5 million grant in 2009 for research into visceral leishmaniasis, an emerging parasitic disease in Ethiopia where it is frequently associated with HIV/AIDS, and a leading cause of adult illness and death. The project is a collaborative effort with Addis Ababa University and will gather data for analysis to identify the weak links in the transmission cycle and devise methods for control of the disease.[28]

The foundation has also given The Institute for OneWorld Health a donation of nearly US$10 million to support the organization's work on a drug for visceral leishmaniasis.

Warren Buffett Donates $1.52 Billion To Bill And Melinda Gates Foundation

Warren Buffett Donated $42 Million In Stock To Mystery Charities


http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmo...eir-billions/\



Yeah...and that's just two guys...lol Dude, you assertion that christians donate more than non-religious is a bogus claim to say the least. Buffet and Gates alone will most likely demolish any donations by any religious organization in the US. Guess what? Those two are agnostic.


SO can you show me the charity contributions made by churches or religious organizations in the US? I'm not talking about the tithing either. Tithing isn't a donation to a charity either. Religious people are supposed to give 10% of their income to the church as part of tithing. So how much of this money from tithing goes to charities to help other people?

I'll be patiently waiting.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Yeah...and that's just two guys...lol Dude, you assertion that christians donate more than non-religious is a bogus claim to say the least. Buffet and Gates alone will most likely demolish any donations by any religious organization in the US. Guess what? Those two are agnostic.:

Two agnostic multi-billionaires' donations is your response....lol