Patten on Ramsey

[firstdown]

His average sack total per game was about th same in 2003 and 2004.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by firstdown

His average sack total per game was about th same in 2003 and 2004.

Yeah. However, although there is no stat for it, you could tell that his sacks in 2003, were just plain guys having a feild day with him. Where he didnt take as many hard shots in 2004. Ya know what I mean?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Yeah. However, although there is no stat for it, you could tell that his sacks in 2003, were just plain guys having a feild day with him. Where he didnt take as many hard shots in 2004. Ya know what I mean?

I totaly agree it was much worse in 2003. I was just surprised when I looked up the stat.

[offiss]

It's tough to say he held the ball to long his first few years because he never had time to hold the ball, he was guilty of trying to actually plant and throw, Brunell didn't hold the ball to long and we saw the result of what happens to a QB when we run simplistic pass patterns with WR's who can't get open, or catch the ball when they are.

Ramsey is guilty of nothing more than trying to make a play when there was nothing there, which was the case the majority of the time, teams knew exactly how to play us on defense, as Portis said it's what like they knew what we were running, as far as I am concerned Ramsey has been scapegoated by inferiour coaching his whole career, my only concern about Ramsey is will Gibbs catch up this season to utilize all of his talents?

[jermus22]

I like Ramsey's guts, courage, and leadership abilities, as well as his willingness to work hard to improve. All of those qualities are most important for any qb. Talent alone isn't enough (look at Jeff George). I also like Ramsey's rocket arm, and it's good he's shown improvement on his accuracy and ability to move around. But unless he fixes his touch on long passes, his ability to read defenses, and continues to improve his poise in the pocket, he won't remain with us beyond this year. I'm really rooting for the guy, but I also realize Campbell is waiting in the wings and has all the abilities necessary for a Gibbs type qb.

[offiss]

Jermus22, what abilities do you think he has that would make him a Gibbs type QB? Brains are the biggest attribute for a Gibbs QB, then a strong arm, considering Campbells first wonderlik test he scored a 9, and he doesn't have elite type arm strength, then consider Ramsey as far as intelligence goes is bordering on genious level, and has one of the strongest arms in the NFL, which vastly exceeds Campbells, if Ramsey can't get it done under Gibbs then what would make you think Campbell could? Also consider it took Campbell 4 year's of playing in college to figure out the college game, and IMO excelled his last year because of superiour talent surrounding him, why should anyone believe he can remotly get it done on the NFL level? Especially next season?

[SmootSmack]

Is it fair to say it took Campbell four years of playing college ball to understand the college game? I mean didn't he have four different offensive coordinators he had to learn from? It's not like he was ever given one solid system to learn under

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by offiss

Jermus22, what abilities do you think he has that would make him a Gibbs type QB? Brains are the biggest attribute for a Gibbs QB, then a strong arm, considering Campbells first wonderlik test he scored a 9, and he doesn't have elite type arm strength, then consider Ramsey as far as intelligence goes is bordering on genious level, and has one of the strongest arms in the NFL, which vastly exceeds Campbells, if Ramsey can't get it done under Gibbs then what would make you think Campbell could? Also consider it took Campbell 4 year's of playing in college to figure out the college game, and IMO excelled his last year because of superiour talent surrounding him, why should anyone believe he can remotly get it done on the NFL level? Especially next season?

What does the wonderlik test have to do with being a good QB in the NFL or for being a QB for Joe Gibbs?
NOTHING.
The test is a joke as a predictive tool for future NFL players.
Two rather undistinguished players from Harvard Pat McInally and Ryan Fitzpatrick (2005 7th round pick) are the only players to achieve a perfect 50.

But Donovan McNabb scored a 12 (on his second try), Dan Marino 14. Daunte Culpepper 15. Steve McNair 15, Michael Vick 20, Brett Farve 22. These scores are below average intelligence.
A statistical analysis by M. P. Mirable, "Intelligence and Football: Testing for Differentials in Collegiate Quarterback Passing Performance and NFL Compensation" found that the wonderlic test does not support the predictive power of quarterbacks. In other words this research discovered that a good score on the wonderlic test does not translate to anything, especally being a good QB in the NFL.
In fact more of the great QB's scored in the low range. Not a single hall of fame Qb or soon to be hall of fame QB score higher than 39 out of a possible 50.

Regarding Campbell, we will see what he has to offer. Nobody can predict what a rookie will do.
Who would have thought last year that Roethlisberger would outplay the #1 and #2 drafted players and 3rd year Patrick Ramsey?