2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[NC_Skins]

I think the game just changed. Mittens got exposed for going after cheap child labor. Such a shiny beacon that our country should look towards!





Whoever taped this was sitting on a gold mine.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I think the game just changed. Mittens got exposed for going after cheap child labor. Such a shiny beacon that our country should look towards!

Where in that video did Romney say he was going after child labor? He was contrasting life in China with life in the US. How stupid can your spin get here?

Romney said we had it made here, compared to situations like the one he talked about in China. Show where Romney said he approved of it, instead of being surprised by it.

And you didn't even get minor details right. 18 to 23 is child labor?

This is why I ignore this thread normally. All the republican bashing going on now, it appears to be lies and exaggeration at best. Like the description of this video. Again, fear and division is all Democrats have left at this point, like the guy I wish was at the top of the Republican ticket said. But I guess you guys didn't watch that speech, just tried to find someone else to poke holes in it for you.

"The game just changed", is kinda funny. If this video isn't being described accurately, what does this mean about all the other mud thrown around in this thread? I'd say "the game" against the republicans has just been exposed as lies and hyperbole at best.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

uh oh.....check out the difference in % between now and Nov. 2008.

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I may already have the liquor paid for at my post-election party...huh saden?

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[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Where in that video did Romney say he was going after child labor? He was contrasting life in China with life in the US. How stupid can your spin get here?

Romney said we had it made here, compared to situations like the one he talked about in China. Show where Romney said he approved of it, instead of being surprised by it.

And you didn't even get minor details right. 18 to 23 is child labor?

Want to respond to this. You know as well as I do that China has underage kids working in factories. Sure Mitt said the ages of 18-23 in his speech, but did he check all of their ID and documentation? I would bet my life on the fact there are underage workers at that particular factory he was at. Let's talk about the safety factor. Barbed wire fencing? What if the place burnt down? Think Mitt cares? **** no. As long as Mitt's pockets are getting lined, he doesn't care if they hire 13 year old girls and work them until they drop.

The video says more about him providing jobs in China as opposed to the US. Isn't he supposed to be this miracle "job creator" he's trying to boast? Yet, here we see him talking about his factory where his cheap labor force continues to make him bank. Mitt is going to do what's best for him and his cronies. Continue to cut taxes on his wealth class, leave open loop holes, and continue to allow jobs to be shipped overseas. It's what he does, and he's not going to change anytime soon. (if ever)

[saden1]

CNN has a break down of those 47% he isn't going to worry about.






I really don't know how this man can be president at this point.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Want to respond to this. You know as well as I do that China has underage kids working in factories. Sure Mitt said the ages of 18-23 in his speech, but did he check all of their ID and documentation? I would bet my life on the fact there are underage workers at that particular factory he was at. Let's talk about the safety factor. Barbed wire fencing? What if the place burnt down? Think Mitt cares? **** no. As long as Mitt's pockets are getting lined, he doesn't care if they hire 13 year old girls and work them until they drop.

And there are underage sweatshops in this country. Should you assume every time you see Obama at a plant, that he's going for child labor? Should Obama be checking the ID and documentation of every place he visits? Does Obama check fire codes of all the places he visits? The bastard!

Yes there are underage sweatshops in China, and this country. So why do you assume the plant Romney went to employed children? Do Chinese factories simply not employ people over the age of 13, or only the ones associated with Romney?

The captions put in the video assert Romney was supporting child labor, but in this covert video, Romney never says so.

So again, are you going to start accusing Obama of supporting child labor? If not, why not? It's no bigger leap than the one you're already making.

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

The video says more about him providing jobs in China as opposed to the US. Isn't he supposed to be this miracle "job creator" he's trying to boast? Yet, here we see him talking about his factory where his cheap labor force continues to make him bank. Mitt is going to do what's best for him and his cronies. Continue to cut taxes on his wealth class, leave open loop holes, and continue to allow jobs to be shipped overseas. It's what he does, and he's not going to change anytime soon. (if ever)

How the hell do you get that from what Romney was saying? Again, you're making leaps an olympic athlete would be proud of.

"95% of life is set up for you if you're born in this country" is what Romney says. Comparing that to a factory in China, reinforces that point.

So aside from no evidence of child labor in this case, check this out:

When asked by ABC News' Jon Karl about the surreptitiously shot video, Romney senior adviser Ed Gillespie handed off responsibility to Bain.

"As for Bain, you know that video is old, you can call Bain and ask them what they did in terms of investing on it, I don't have any information on that," Gillespie said.

A person familiar with Bain's activities told ABC News "we didn't buy the factory." And according to a FactCheck.org analysis in June the three other Chinese factories that the Obama campaign has highlighted as examples of Romney's outsourcing were all bought by Bain after Romney left the company in 1999. http://factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-outsourcer-overreach/


But keep on parroting unsubstantiated stories, NC_Skins. How can you go wrong with anonymous sources whose captions don't even match up with the video?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Should Obama be checking the ID and documentation of every place he visits? Does Obama check fire codes of all the places he visits? The bastard!

Is Obama trying to buy a Chinese factory for cheap labor and then pass off to the American people that he's what is good for the US economy? If so, then yes he does. Romney is doing exactly that though.

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Yes there are underage sweatshops in China, and this country. So why do you assume the plant Romney went to employed children? Do Chinese factories simply not employ people over the age of 13, or only the ones associated with Romney?

Again, you are looking too deep in the children aspect. Look at the "I'm what's good for the US economy" (while buying cheap labor factories in China). That's REALLY good for the US workers.

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

So again, are you going to start accusing Obama of supporting child labor? If not, why not? It's no bigger leap than the one you're already making.

Is Obama trying to buy a Chinese factory fenced in by bob wire that potentially employees underage girls? When he does, alert me.

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

When asked by ABC News' Jon Karl about the surreptitiously shot video, Romney senior adviser Ed Gillespie handed off responsibility to Bain.

"As for Bain, you know that video is old, you can call Bain and ask them what they did in terms of investing on it, I don't have any information on that," Gillespie said.

A person familiar with Bain's activities told ABC News "we didn't buy the factory." And according to a FactCheck.org analysis in June the three other Chinese factories that the Obama campaign has highlighted as examples of Romney's outsourcing were all bought by Bain after Romney left the company in 1999. http://factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-outsourcer-overreach/


But keep on parroting unsubstantiated stories, NC_Skins. How can you go wrong with anonymous sources whose captions don't even match up with the video?

It's nto unsubstantiated. You heard it from HIMSELF. HE WAS ****ING BUYING CHEAP LABOR IN CHINA!! Just totally disregard the underage factor at this point. You are still left with a guy, who's claiming to be what's best for the US economy, trying to buy cheap labor factories in China. He really support the US workforce alright.

Also, that bullshit about this happening after he left Bain is a sham. Fact is, his name was attached to the SEC documents as being the head of the company even in early 2000's. If his name is to it, he's declared legally to take full responsibility for that company. Otherwise, he's filing a false document with the SEC. Let's not go down this road again with the whole "he's not in charge even though the legal papers say otherwise" crap. Thanks.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Is Obama trying to buy a Chinese factory for cheap labor and then pass off to the American people that he's what is good for the US economy? If so, then yes he does. Romney is doing exactly that though.






Again, you are looking too deep in the children aspect. Look at the "I'm what's good for the US economy" (while buying cheap labor factories in China). That's REALLY good for the US workers.






Is Obama trying to buy a Chinese factory fenced in by bob wire that potentially employees underage girls? When he does, alert me.






It's nto unsubstantiated. You heard it from HIMSELF. HE WAS ****ING BUYING CHEAP LABOR IN CHINA!! Just totally disregard the underage factor at this point. You are still left with a guy, who's claiming to be what's best for the US economy, trying to buy cheap labor factories in China. He really support the US workforce alright.

Also, that bullshit about this happening after he left Bain is a sham. Fact is, his name was attached to the SEC documents as being the head of the company even in early 2000's. If his name is to it, he's declared legally to take full responsibility for that company. Otherwise, he's filing a false document with the SEC. Let's not go down this road again with the whole "he's not in charge even though the legal papers say otherwise" crap. Thanks.

I'm guessing your home is all made in the US with no cheap labor crap from china. If that is true then you have room to talk but my guess your just as guilty as the next and have a house full of stuff made over seas.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Is Obama trying to buy a Chinese factory for cheap labor and then pass off to the American people that he's what is good for the US economy? If so, then yes he does. Romney is doing exactly that though.

Since apparently he didn't buy the factory (see previous post), has he won your vote then?

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Again, you are looking too deep in the children aspect. Look at the "I'm what's good for the US economy" (while buying cheap labor factories in China). That's REALLY good for the US workers.

Dude, your original post on this video was "I think the game just changed. Mittens got exposed for going after cheap child labor. Such a shiny beacon that our country should look towards!" And that's basically what the captioning of the video says. You parroted a blatant lie there. That's what I responded to, about your not getting your facts right, and about lies and exaggeration.

About the jobs aspect, since it looks like Romney DIDN'T buy that Chinese factory, does that mean he has your vote now?

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Is Obama trying to buy a Chinese factory fenced in by bob wire that potentially employees underage girls? When he does, alert me.

Again, why not assume the places Obama visits also employ underaged girls and fail fire code laws? Do you think places that Obama visits have no barbed wire?



As to the situation in China, maybe that's why Bain didn't buy the factory. Maybe barbed wire and EMPTY factories is why you shouldn't vote for Obama.

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

It's nto unsubstantiated. You heard it from HIMSELF. HE WAS ****ING BUYING CHEAP LABOR IN CHINA!! Just totally disregard the underage factor at this point. You are still left with a guy, who's claiming to be what's best for the US economy, trying to buy cheap labor factories in China. He really support the US workforce alright.

On that specific case, where Romney went to but didn't buy the factory, how do you know that it wasn't a case like this (from an article that talks about some lies and exaggerations Romney's campaign has made):

For example, in the early 1990s, Bain acquired a U.S. bicycle manufacturer that relied on lower-cost Chinese parts and labor to produce some of its specialty and retail bikes. The company, GT Bicycles, expanded its U.S. workforce during the years Bain owned it, in part because it was able to take advantage of lower-cost labor in China, Taiwan and other foreign countries.

Sadly, if you look at a lot of Amercian made products, components come from elsewhere. Not only bikes, but you really get into parts outsourcing with electronics.

So we have one confirmed case where Romney outsourced and US jobs increased, and the US economy under Obama where outsourcing to China (including not limited to "green" projects) resulted in US job LOSS. Just not as bad as Romney's ads said. So who should we vote for again?

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Also, that bullshit about this happening after he left Bain is a sham. Fact is, his name was attached to the SEC documents as being the head of the company even in early 2000's. If his name is to it, he's declared legally to take full responsibility for that company. Otherwise, he's filing a false document with the SEC. Let's not go down this road again with the whole "he's not in charge even though the legal papers say otherwise" crap. Thanks.

Funny, factcheck.org says: On the broader question of Romney’s involvement with Bain during this time, we concur with Kessler’s conclusion. “The Obama campaign is blowing smoke here,” he says, adding “the weight of evidence suggests that Romney did in fact end active management of Bain in 1999.”

But as I said before, carry on!