My evaluation of Shanahan starts now

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Here's the big point:

Oakland Raiders, 2009-2011
5-11 (got blown out by Zorn's Redskins at home)
8-8
8-8

Washington Redskins 2009-2011
4-12
6-10
5-11

Were the Redskins ever in worse shape than the Raiders? Almost certainly not. But the Raiders stopped making toxic organizational decisions for a moment, and while they didn't become a good team, they started to win big against bad teams.

Achieving mediocrity isn't the hard part of rebuilding a team. If Zorn was doing things fundamentally wrong, Shanahan should have had that corrected by year one. The fact that he didn't get that corrected by year two is especially troubling.

The irony is the same people that praise Shanahan now decry how devoid of talent the team was before.
Yet the team before was as productive as the team now despite having far less talent OL, WR etc.
The irony of the Raiders franchise is that they used the QB that Shanahan cast off to gain stability.

Zorn wasn't as bad as people thought, (and if Zorn was that makes Campbell play here even more impressive) but then again Campbell wasn't as bad as people thought.
Shanahan hasn't been as good as people thought.
Myself included I was Mike Shanahan biggest proponent but that was back when I thought that Bruce Allen was an actual GM and that Kyle Shanahan would be bring Mike Shanahan Denver/WCO offense and not some pass centric varaint.

But, that is all water under the bridge for me.
The Mike Shanahan regime has bought themselves more time by drafting Robert Griffin.
And although they over paid, Griffin is a stud.
I'm one of the few that think Griffin is a better prospect the Andrew Luck.
And for the sake on Griffin's development Mike has bought himself 2 years.
Would I rather Rob Chudzinski be the HC for Griffin? Yes.

But right now we're married to Mike Shanahan and he to Griffin.
Hopefully Griffin's dynamic ability coupled with some good coaching/gameplanning will be enough to overcome some of Mike Shanahan's personnel misques. (like at RT)

-HTTR

Lets go Griff!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 30gut

The irony is the same people that praise Shanahan now decry how devoid of talent the team was before.
Yet the team before was as productive as the team now despite having far less talent OL, WR etc.
The irony of the Raiders franchise is that they used the QB that Shanahan cast off to gain stability.

Zorn wasn't as bad as people thought, (and if Zorn was that makes Campbell play here even more impressive) but then again Campbell wasn't as bad as people thought.
Shanahan hasn't been as good as people thought.
Myself included I was Mike Shanahan biggest proponent but that was back when I thought that Bruce Allen was an actual GM and that Kyle Shanahan would be bring Mike Shanahan Denver/WCO offense and not some pass centric varaint.

But, that is all water under the bridge for me.
The Mike Shanahan regime has bought themselves more time by drafting Robert Griffin.
And although they over paid, Griffin is a stud.
I'm one of the few that think Griffin is a better prospect the Andrew Luck.
And for the sake on Griffin's development Mike has bought himself 2 years.
Would I rather Rob Chudzinski be the HC for Griffin? Yes.

But right now we're married to Mike Shanahan and he to Griffin.
Hopefully Griffin's dynamic ability coupled with some good coaching/gameplanning will be enough to overcome some of Mike Shanahan's personnel misques. (like at RT)

-HTTR

Lets go Griff!

Who are you talking about?
Why would you have though that?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Who are you talking about?
Why would you have though that?

Jason Campbell,but I should correct.
Mike Shanahan didn't cast off Campbell, I fell into the media perception for a second.
Campbell asked to be traded because he didn't want to be the back-up to McNabb and felt he could still start in the NFL.
And Shanahan actually did him a solid and allowed him to seek a trade.

Kyle comes from the Houston Texans who under Gary Kubiac run the Mike Shanahan Denver WCO and keep with Mike's balanced pass-run ratio of near 50-50.
Kyle is the only playcaller from that system that leans heavily towards the pass with a 60-40 ratio.

[44 goes 50 gut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Who are you talking about?

No kidding, the first year Campbell was benched repeatedly for Gradkowski and only started due to injury, the second year he lucked into a couple wins while throwing for 150 yards and the usual one TD, while his running game did all the heavy lifting until he got injured NOT SLIDING (as usual) and was replaced by a mediocre Carson Palmer.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by 44 goes 50 gut

No kidding, the first year Campbell was benched repeatedly for Gradkowski and only started due to injury, the second year he lucked into a couple wins while throwing for 150 yards and the usual one TD, while his running game did all the heavy lifting until he got injured NOT SLIDING (as usual) and was replaced by a mediocre Carson Palmer.

Lol, right that's exactly how it happened.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by 44 goes 50 gut

No kidding, the first year Campbell was benched repeatedly for Gradkowski and only started due to injury, the second year he lucked into a couple wins while throwing for 150 yards and the usual one TD, while his running game did all the heavy lifting until he got injured NOT SLIDING (as usual) and was replaced by a mediocre Carson Palmer.

Very convincing post, I can tell you aren't bitter at all about Campbell and have no prejudices against him whatsoever that could potentially make me dismiss your opinion on the subject.

[44 goes 50 gut]

Originally Posted by mooby

Very convincing post, I can tell you aren't bitter at all about Campbell and have no prejudices against him whatsoever that could potentially make me dismiss your opinion on the subject.

Wow defensive much? I'm not bitter at all it doesn't bother me that Campbell is clearly a backup and not a starter in the NFL. It apparently bothers you enough to get all huffy over an unkind description of a backup QB who is two years removed from the Skins... So who's the bitter one?

Dissmiss me all you want ultimately he didn't impress anyone (who matters) enough to get EVEN A SHOT at a starting job, in a league where Kevin Kolb versus John Skelton is a thing. If that's not telling enough; he went to Chicago where he's the backup to the QB who some fans thought wasn't worth trading Campbell for. Hows that for irony... Bitter irony for some I suspect?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by 44 goes 50 gut

Wow defensive much? I'm not bitter at all it doesn't bother me that Campbell is clearly a backup and not a starter in the NFL. It apparently bothers you enough to get all huffy over an unkind description of a backup QB who is two years removed from the Skins... So who's the bitter one?

Dissmiss me all you want ultimately he didn't impress anyone (who matters) enough to get EVEN A SHOT at a starting job, in a league where Kevin Kolb versus John Skelton is a thing. If that's not telling enough; he went to Chicago where he's the backup to the QB who some fans thought wasn't worth trading Campbell for. Hows that for irony... Bitter irony for some I suspect?

Lol, you mad huh?
Your perception of the events around Jason Campbell are skewed beyond belief.

-HTTR

[44 goes 50 gut]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Lol, you mad huh?
Your perception of the events around Jason Campbell are skewed beyond belief.

-HTTR

Last I'll say on the matter because no one else wants to read an off topic derail about Campbell: I know its hard for Campbell fans to admit they were wrong but He's a backup in a league where Kolb and Skelton are competing for a starting spot.

If that doesn't clue you I don't know what else to say...