Democratic National Convention 2012

[12thMan]

Slingin, wait a second friend. First of all, there's no spin here. The president has done even more than what you've listed for our veterans. Like I said you'd have to look long and hard to find a president in recent memory who's done more. Your candidate didn't have the guts to mention our troops in Afghanistan or Iraq once, but he's somehow more concerned and better? Give me a break.

Secondly, the automatic defense cuts were written by Congress because they couldn't reach a deal on the debt ceiling. You remember that, right? When the right dragged the country into a ditch and ended up raising the debt ceiling anyway? So these automatic cuts were in fact signed into law UNLESS Congress, not the president, reaches some new agreement.

Let's be honest we need to shrink our military footprint. I say that as a proud former vet. We have the world's strongest and most innovative military, but we need to downsize some and reapportion funding to build up our own country.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Secondly, the automatic defense cuts were written by Congress because they couldn't reach a deal on the debt ceiling. You remember that, right? When the right dragged the country into a ditch and ended up raising the debt ceiling anyway? So these automatic cuts were in fact signed into law UNLESS Congress, not the president, reaches some new agreement.

wrong, the left's reckless spending on failed green energy, stimulus, bailouts to unions, takeover of the healthcare system, and burying their heads in the sand on the mortgage crisis and entitlement reform, and over-regulation of all industries are what's dragged to country into the ditch.

And let's be honest, Obama has already nailed the DoD with significant cuts and now is simply using the additional $ 500B to leverage the GOP to raise taxes....on all Americans. You can make whatever point about Romney not mentioning the troops in a speech....but truth is everyone knows the GOP supports the military far more than Obama ever has or will.

And there's no disputing the BS "green fuel" garbage, forcing troops to pay more for healthcare to fund ObamaCare, and the reduction in the nuclear arsenal.

Let's be honest we need to shrink our military footprint. I say that as a proud former vet. We have the world's strongest and most innovative military, but we need to downsize some and reapportion funding to build up our own country.

We're both proud vets and we agree here, but what's being done is not "downsizing some" or "reapportioning". This is gutting the military at the expensive of green energy and other Obama pet programs.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Isn't Joe Biden scheduled to give the keynote tonight? Oh, that's right he'll just be a warm-up on Thursday. LOL.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Numbers you won't see at the DNC:

- National Debt Clock, tops 16T
U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time#

- National Budget Defecit, over $ 1.2T
see above, just below National Debt number.

- Median Household Income Jan. 2009 vs. June 2012
$ 54,983 down to $ 50,964 This is twice the 2.6% drop during the actual recession from Dec. 2007 to June 2009.

- 46 million Americans on food stamps today, up 6.4 million from three years ago.

- 6.4 million more Americans in poverty today than when Obama took office. And despite Obamacare, national health spending is up 13 percent, while the average worker's health insurance costs are up 23 percent. Obama had promised both those numbers would go down if the Democrats running Congress approved his agenda, which they did. These "achievements" added $4.6 trillion more in federal debt.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Numbers you won't see at the DNC:

- National Debt Clock, tops 16T
U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time#

- National Budget Defecit, over $ 1.2T
see above, just below National Debt number.

- Median Household Income Jan. 2009 vs. June 2012
$ 54,983 down to $ 50,964 This is twice the 2.6% drop during the actual recession from Dec. 2007 to June 2009.

- 46 million Americans on food stamps today, up 6.4 million from three years ago.

- 6.4 million more Americans in poverty today than when Obama took office. And despite Obamacare, national health spending is up 13 percent, while the average worker's health insurance costs are up 23 percent. Obama had promised both those numbers would go down if the Democrats running Congress approved his agenda, which they did. These "achievements" added $4.6 trillion more in federal debt.

scary stuff. And how Id like to blame it all on Obama (he certainly is part of the problem) I gotta give alot of blame to leadership in Congress. Both sides. I simply cannot understand why people, who we f*cking over-pay, cant sit down like civil human beings and hash out a plan on the economy, jobs, and debt crisis. I mean its unbelievable how our supposid national leaders act up in washington.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

scary stuff. And how Id like to blame it all on Obama (he certainly is part of the problem) I gotta give alot of blame to leadership in Congress. Both sides. I simply cannot understand why people, who we f*cking over-pay, cant sit down like civil human beings and hash out a plan on the economy, jobs, and debt crisis. I mean its unbelievable how our supposid national leaders act up in washington.

I'll say the same thing about Romney that I did about Obama when he was elected, he has the opportunity to be a transformative POTUS....if he can govern from the middle and force folks on both sides to come together on this stuff.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

scary stuff. And how Id like to blame it all on Obama (he certainly is part of the problem) I gotta give alot of blame to leadership in Congress. Both sides. I simply cannot understand why people, who we f*cking over-pay, cant sit down like civil human beings and hash out a plan on the economy, jobs, and debt crisis. I mean its unbelievable how our supposid national leaders act up in washington.

Neither side wants to cut anything. I laugh at the right saying we need to make cuts but freak when talking about cutting military spending. The left has not seen a social program big enough or a goverment agency that is not needed. People say cut spending but the minute those cuts are in their backyard they are against the cuts. I see it here now with the military cuts about to take affect. I'm sorry cuts will hurt some people (miltary cuts here affect me) but its time for both sides to work together and make the needed cuts.

Obama's problem is that he does not know how to lead and bring both side together. He himself starts acting like a baby when he does not get his way and that's not what true leaders does. With Mitt we have seen him in Mass. working with both sides to get things done rather you agree with them or not.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Neither side wants to cut anything. I laugh at the right saying we need to make cuts but freak when talking about cutting military spending. The left has not seen a social program big enough or a goverment agency that is not needed. People say cut spending but the minute those cuts are in their backyard they are against the cuts. I see it here now with the military cuts about to take affect. I'm sorry cuts will hurt some people (miltary cuts here affect me) but its time for both sides to work together and make the needed cuts.

Obama's problem is that he does not know how to lead and bring both side together. He himself starts acting like a baby when he does not get his way and that's not what true leaders does. With Mitt we have seen him in Mass. working with both sides to get things done rather you agree with them or not.

Good lord, somebody time stamp this post. I agreed with literally, almost, everything you wrote.

Did someone hack your account? You're right both sides need to grow up a little bit and put some skin in the game.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

EDIT : duplicate post

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

wrong, the left's reckless spending on failed green energy, stimulus, bailouts to unions, takeover of the healthcare system, and burying their heads in the sand on the mortgage crisis and entitlement reform, and over-regulation of all industries are what's dragged to country into the ditch.

And let's be honest, Obama has already nailed the DoD with significant cuts and now is simply using the additional $ 500B to leverage the GOP to raise taxes....on all Americans. You can make whatever point about Romney not mentioning the troops in a speech....but truth is everyone knows the GOP supports the military far more than Obama ever has or will.

And there's no disputing the BS "green fuel" garbage, forcing troops to pay more for healthcare to fund ObamaCare, and the reduction in the nuclear arsenal.

We're both proud vets and we agree here, but what's being done is not "downsizing some" or "reapportioning". This is gutting the military at the expensive of green energy and other Obama pet programs.

You're complaining about Defense cuts that Republicans voted for? That makes no sense. They crafted the bill and voted for it. Period. Period!

Mitt Romney is a failed candidate. And I still dare you to put any Republicans record against Obama's on his commitment to our troops and veterans. No one even come close, especially Bush I who sent our boys into harms way without adequate body armor.

Don't pedal your Republican talking points about how the right care for our troops when your god damn nominee nor his lying VP didn't bother to mention them one damn time. Get outta here. Romney is clueless.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

You're complaining about Defense cuts that Republicans voted for? That makes no sense. They crafted the bill and voted for it. Period. Period!

Mitt Romney is a failed candidate. And I still dare you to put any Republicans record against Obama's on his commitment to our troops and veterans. No one even come close, especially Bush I who sent our boys into harms way without adequate body armor.

Don't pedal your Republican talking points about how the right care for our troops when your god damn nominee nor his lying VP didn't bother to mention them one damn time. Get outta here. Romney is clueless.

Well if you look at Mass. and the problems he had to face and Obama and the problems he had to face Mitt did a better job. I'm not a fan of Romney care but he turned that state around. Obama has spent over 15 trillion and we are still in a hugh hole that is just getting bigger.

[Daseal]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

wrong, the left's reckless spending on failed green energy, stimulus, bailouts to unions, takeover of the healthcare system, and burying their heads in the sand on the mortgage crisis and entitlement reform, and over-regulation of all industries are what's dragged to country into the ditch.

And let's be honest, Obama has already nailed the DoD with significant cuts and now is simply using the additional $ 500B to leverage the GOP to raise taxes....on all Americans. You can make whatever point about Romney not mentioning the troops in a speech....but truth is everyone knows the GOP supports the military far more than Obama ever has or will.

And there's no disputing the BS "green fuel" garbage, forcing troops to pay more for healthcare to fund ObamaCare, and the reduction in the nuclear arsenal.

We're both proud vets and we agree here, but what's being done is not "downsizing some" or "reapportioning". This is gutting the military at the expensive of green energy and other Obama pet programs.

Slingin, this sentence contradicts itself. Lack of regulation in banking circles caused the mortgage crisis -- later you complain about over-regulation. You want the government to stick their head in and keep consumers from themselves when something goes wrong, but complain about overregulation? Pick one and stick to it.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Slingin, this sentence contradicts itself. Lack of regulation in banking circles caused the mortgage crisis -- later you complain about over-regulation. You want the government to stick their head in and keep consumers from themselves when something goes wrong, but complain about overregulation? Pick one and stick to it.

No contradiction if you understand the issues/problems.

It was not lack of regulation that caused the mortgage crisis. It was gov't interference in the mortgage markets that essentially forced the banks to underwrite shaky loans. When the GOP and even Bill Clinton came out prior to the crisis and said we need to put the brakes on here and get this under control....in a prudent way...the Dems (Frank, M. Waters, etc) said move along, nothing to see here, Freddie and Fannie are fine.

Jump to post crisis and knee-jerk regulations such as Dodd-Frank stiffle growth across all sectors of the economy.