2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Despite limited spending in PA, it appears in play for the GOP:

Poll: Close contest in Pennsylvania – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

from July.
Election 2012: Pennsylvania President - Rasmussen Reports™

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Despite limited spending in PA, it appears in play for the GOP:

Poll: Close contest in Pennsylvania – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

from July.
Election 2012: Pennsylvania President - Rasmussen Reports™

If Romney wins in PA or Ohio, it will because the GOP has restricted poor/minorities from voting with Voter ID laws.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/16/us...aw-intact.html


I find it odd a PA judge decides to keep the decision, but judges in Texas, SC shot it down big time.

Federal court strikes down Texas voter ID law - CNN.com

A tough week for voter ID | Editorials | Rock Hill Herald Online


It's stuff like this that has boiled my blood with the GOP. They never had to resort to bush league tactics to win elections, but now they are openly trying to suppress the votes of the poor(aka..minorities). It's funny they weren't a issue until this election. I love how they use the "preventing voter fraud" as their guise, but we know good and well they don't want minorities turning out to vote against them.

A power message from John Lewis.

http://www.c-span.org/DNC/Events/Joh...tion/C3873564/

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

If Romney wins in PA or Ohio, it will because the GOP has restricted poor/minorities from voting with Voter ID laws.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/16/us...aw-intact.html

setting up the excuses already with standard lib talking points...GOP wants to keep minorities from the polls...blah, blah, blah. I don't see what the problem is with having a valid ID to vote. Please show me an example of the "poor/minorities" who wouldn't be able to vote because of this law. It is simply to reduce voter fraud....which lib groups like ACORN are so fond of.

Also, the PA DoT is required to provide free IDs for any prospective voters who do not have the requisite form of identification.

Federal court strikes down Texas voter ID law - CNN.com

A tough week for voter ID | Editorials | Rock Hill Herald Online

wrong answer. The Texas and SC laws are being stopped by the Dept. of Justice/Eric Holder and a special panel of judges in DC.

It's stuff like this that has boiled my blood with the GOP. They never had to resort to bush league tactics to win elections, but now they are openly trying to suppress the votes of the poor(aka..minorities). It's funny they weren't a issue until this election. I love how they use the "preventing voter fraud" as their guise, but we know good and well they don't want minorities turning out to vote against them.

one citizen, one vote. Shut down the games played by Dem/liberal groups that actively engage in voter fraud.

For starters:
ACORN operative admits ‘voter fraud’

More Acorn Voter Fraud Comes to Light - WSJ.com

Democrat Voter Fraud Hangs over Recount for WI State Senate Recall Race

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

setting up the excuses already with standard lib talking points...GOP wants to keep minorities from the polls...blah, blah, blah. I don't see what the problem is with having a valid ID to vote. Please show me an example of the "poor/minorities" who wouldn't be able to vote because of this law. It is simply to reduce voter fraud....which lib groups like ACORN are so fond of.

one citizen, one vote. Shut down the games played by Dem/liberal groups that actively engage in voter fraud.

Jim Greer denounces Florida Republican Party officials as liars, 'right-wing crazies' in deposition - Tampa Bay Times

On voter suppression, Greer said he had just completed a December 2009 meeting with party general counsel Jason Gonzalez, political consultant Jim Rimes and Eric Eikenberg, Crist's chief of staff, when questions arose about fundraising.

"I was upset because the political consultants and staff were talking about voter suppression and keeping blacks from voting. It had been one of those days,'' he said.

Voter Fraud: 4 GOP Staffers Indicted in “Blatant and Disgraceful” Election FraudPolitical News and Opinion from a Multicultural Point of View | Political News and Opinion from a Multicultural Point of View

Four congressional staffers of former Republican Rep. Thaddeus McCotter (R-MI), who resigned from Congress on July 6, will face criminal felony charges for voter and election fraud in Michigan. The charges were announced by Michigan’s Attorney General today.

http://www.indystar.com/article/2012...WS02/120203035

NOBLESVILLE, Ind. -- Indiana Secretary of State Charlie White was convicted of six felonies early this morning, and consequently lost his job.

But the Republican could get it back soon.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Voter Fraud: 4 GOP Staffers Indicted in “Blatant and Disgraceful” Election FraudPolitical News and Opinion from a Multicultural Point of View | Political News and Opinion from a Multicultural Point of View

The link about Greer shows nothing, just the word of someone involved in a legal bru-ha-ha with the state GOP machine. No evidence, just unconfirmed statements.

The other links mention GOP voter fraud....which should be shut down as well.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

GOP wants to keep minorities from the polls...blah, blah, blah. I don't see what the problem is with having a valid ID to vote. Please show me an example of the "poor/minorities" who wouldn't be able to vote because of this law. It is simply to reduce voter fraud....which lib groups like ACORN are so fond of.

Dude, it doesn't take a genius to see what voter ID laws are designed to do and it's not get rid of voter fraud. Let's stop and think about this. Legally, you can't make people pay for the right to vote correct? However, you can supposedly require them to have a "Voter ID" that you can obtain for free.


Here is the catch. In order to obtain this "Voter ID" card, you'll need a valid ID and other forms of proof to be able to get it. So then, you have to start paying money for these items of proof, just so you can vote. Drivers License/State ID = costs money. Birth Certificates = costs money. Most forms of ID require money for you to obtain them.

So now you are asking a bunch of poor people to pony up cash to be able to get this "Free Voter ID" card, and have them jump through a ton of hoops in order to do so.


If you seriously think voter ID laws are designed to prevent voter fraud, then you really will believe I have beach front property to sell you in Arizona.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Here is the catch. In order to obtain this "Voter ID" card, you'll need a valid ID and other forms of proof to be able to get it. So then, you have to start paying money for these items of proof, just so you can vote. Drivers License/State ID = costs money. Birth Certificates = costs money. Most forms of ID require money for you to obtain them.

So now you are asking a bunch of poor people to pony up cash to be able to get this "Free Voter ID" card, and have them jump through a ton of hoops in order to do so.


If you seriously think voter ID laws are designed to prevent voter fraud, then you really will believe I have beach front property to sell you in Arizona.

It's a C-O-N-spiracy! Sorry, not buying that someone who wants to vote is so poor they can't get a free ID.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Dude, it doesn't take a genius to see what voter ID laws are designed to do and it's not get rid of voter fraud. Let's stop and think about this. Legally, you can't make people pay for the right to vote correct? However, you can supposedly require them to have a "Voter ID" that you can obtain for free.


Here is the catch. In order to obtain this "Voter ID" card, you'll need a valid ID and other forms of proof to be able to get it. So then, you have to start paying money for these items of proof, just so you can vote. Drivers License/State ID = costs money. Birth Certificates = costs money. Most forms of ID require money for you to obtain them.

So now you are asking a bunch of poor people to pony up cash to be able to get this "Free Voter ID" card, and have them jump through a ton of hoops in order to do so.


If you seriously think voter ID laws are designed to prevent voter fraud, then you really will believe I have beach front property to sell you in Arizona.

The poor has no problem with producing an ID to get food stamps and well fair why is it such a problem to vote?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by firstdown

The poor has no problem with producing an ID to get food stamps and well fair why is it such a problem to vote?

I don't know, why don't you ask them? (while we're generalizing and all).

[NC_Skins]

Romney doubles down on Obama criticism

Mitt Romney really is a scum bag piece of shit.



Romney under friendly fire for his response to embassy attack in Libya | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

Asshole should be taking heat. He should just drop out of the race and have some class. Guess that's something money couldn't buy.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by firstdown

The poor has no problem with producing an ID to get food stamps and well fair why is it such a problem to vote?

GASP! How dare you speak the truth?


If we want to talk about REAL voter suppression, lets talk about the military absentee ballots, or lack of, in the 2008 Presidential election. NUMEROUS states, all conveniently "blue" states either did not send the overseas military absentee ballots out on time or at all. If anyone should get to vote, it's our active military.

They knew who the soldiers would support, so the ballots got "lost" or delayed...from several states. Sure...accident, right?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

The poor has no problem with producing an ID to get food stamps and well fair why is it such a problem to vote?

It still provides additional hoops and costs that people have to go through in order to vote. It's a bigger burden on a poor person who might not have transportation to go get all these things or the money to spend on the other credentials just to get a "free" ID. That's the thing, it's not really free. It's like me saying, I'm giving a away a free trip, but you'll need to pay this processing fee of $5,000 to receive it.

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

If President Obama loses the election...some people are making plans already:

http://i.imgur.com/XQV7D.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/icU6p.jpg

I think those people are trying to be funny, and not really serious.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I think those people are trying to be funny, and not really serious.

So random people get a pass of "trying to be funny", but a "shock" radio personality doesn't?

Of course, what definition of "funny" applies to either is also debatable, but I don't see how one can excuse either and not the other.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

If Romney wins in PA or Ohio, it will because the GOP has restricted poor/minorities from voting with Voter ID laws.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/16/us...aw-intact.html

PA resident here. Voter fraud, especially in Philly has been very bad in the last few elections...not to forget about the Black Panthers at the polls threatening anyone who "looks" like they might not vote for Obama last time. One election, 103% of registered voters in one Philly voting precinct cast a vote. More votes than registered voters. You support that?

How exactly is asking to show ID to match the voter registration book keeping anyone from casting a LEGITIMATE vote? That's the key...anyone opposed to this common sense standard is most likely on the side that commits voter fraud.

PA offers an ID card, always has for those who cannot or will not get a driver's license. It's not expensive, just a few dollars (about $8 or 10) as opposed to $36 for a driver's license. and there was been talk of giving it out for no cost to help people get the IDs they need for the election.

If you won't get one, you're most likely either lazy, an illegal immigrant, a criminal who doesn't want to show up at a Government office and present an address, or just stubborn. There is public transportation and assistance from county organizations in PA to help the elderly get this done...the offer was put out by the Agency on Aging to pick people up and help them get IDs.

Being poor, old or a minority are not valid excuses for not having an ID. Anyone in PA can get one. If people would take a few minutes to get it done instead of protesting, they'd be ready. This discussion has been going on for about 2 years...everyone had plenty of time.

How can you even get through life without ANY form of photo ID anyway?