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[Chico23231]

[quote=Giantone;1282161]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Horseshit. I believe a London based Iranian media who had the leaked audio from an interview.

Surprising chico believes them but hates on US media. Typical anti American.

Lol..this is great.

+1

[Giantone]

[quote=Chico23231;1282166]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Lol..this is great.

+1

Sad chico .

[SunnySide]

sourced it? It was a 7 hour recording of a discussion the Iranian foreign minister and reporter were having.

The source is one iranian official saying it happened.

wait ... do you think they have Kerry and the iranian diplomat on tape?

If you did .. they dont. Kerry isnt recorded on any tape.

Its 1 iranian official saying it happened.

ive spent way too much effort on this ....

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

sourced it? It was a 7 hour recording of a discussion the Iranian foreign minister and reporter were having.

The source is one iranian official saying it happened.

wait ... do you think they have Kerry and the iranian diplomat on tape?

If you did .. they dont. Kerry isnt recorded on any tape.

Its 1 iranian official saying it happened.

ive spent way too much effort on this ....

Lol...no they don’t have Kerry on tape. Hopefully he would be arrested by now. Or on the lam on his private jet.

It’s an interview with an Iranian media group based in England with a known reporter (my understanding that’s how it’s confirmed) and it’s not a rando, it’s the top Iranian foreign minister.

So when you say it’s one person...well it’s confirmed it’s the top person in the government. On the tape, he (top foreign minister) specifically says that’s “off the record” about certain pieces of information.

The New York Times reviewed the audio and printed the story off it and confirmed with the reporter with the agency.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Lol...no they don’t have Kerry on tape. Hopefully he would be arrested by now. Or on the lam on his private jet.

It’s an interview with an Iranian media group based in England with a known reporter (my understanding that’s how it’s confirmed) and it’s not a rando, it’s the top Iranian foreign minister.

So when you say it’s one person...well it’s confirmed it’s the top person in the government. On the tape, he (top foreign minister) specifically says that’s “off the record” about certain pieces of information.

The New York Times reviewed the audio and printed the story off it and confirmed with the reporter with the agency.

Why do you hate America so much ?

[SunnySide]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/202...tl-ldn-vpx.cnn

^^ video of Afghan military surrendering and giving american military vehicles and big guns to the Taliban.

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The Taliban now controls roughly a third of all 421 districts and district centres in Afghanistan.

Gains in northeastern Badakhshan province in recent days have mostly come to the armed group without a battle, said Mohib-ul Rahman, a provincial council member. He blamed Taliban successes on the poor morale of troops who are mostly outnumbered and lacking supplies.

“Unfortunately, the majority of the districts were left to Taliban without any fight,” said Rahman. In the last three days, 10 districts fell to Taliban, eight without a fight, he said.

Hundreds of Afghan soldiers, police and intelligence troops surrendered their military outposts and fled to the Badakhshan provincial capital of Faizabad, said Rahman.

Even as a security meeting was being held early on Sunday to plot the strengthening of the perimeter around Faizabad, some senior provincial officials were leaving the city for the Afghan capital Kabul, he said.

In late June, the Afghan government resurrected volunteer militias with a reputation of brutal violence to support the beleaguered Afghan forces but Rahman said many of the fighters in the Badakhshan districts put up only a half-hearted fight.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...vt-forces-flee


Well ... looks like the Taliban can take over as much or all of Afghanistan if it wants to. If they take over the entire country theyd probably be stretched to thin and I dont imagine any country would give the Taliban foreign aid.

Probably be best for them to let the govt have control over Kabul so they can just take any foreign aid given to the "afghan govt"

My american beer drinking view from across the pond ... afghan govt and people didnt do nearly enough to support our efforts to oust the Taliban and actually worked against us. If they thought wed stay there forever just taking on huge debt and lives .. they gambled and lost.

i feel bad for the women and children and i am 100% sure the USA will get blamed for what may come, but the blame lays solely at the feet of their men, their fathers, their husbands, uncles etc.

the world is a brutal place

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/202...tl-ldn-vpx.cnn

^^ video of Afghan military surrendering and giving american military vehicles and big guns to the Taliban.

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The Taliban now controls roughly a third of all 421 districts and district centres in Afghanistan.

Gains in northeastern Badakhshan province in recent days have mostly come to the armed group without a battle, said Mohib-ul Rahman, a provincial council member. He blamed Taliban successes on the poor morale of troops who are mostly outnumbered and lacking supplies.

“Unfortunately, the majority of the districts were left to Taliban without any fight,” said Rahman. In the last three days, 10 districts fell to Taliban, eight without a fight, he said.

Hundreds of Afghan soldiers, police and intelligence troops surrendered their military outposts and fled to the Badakhshan provincial capital of Faizabad, said Rahman.

Even as a security meeting was being held early on Sunday to plot the strengthening of the perimeter around Faizabad, some senior provincial officials were leaving the city for the Afghan capital Kabul, he said.

In late June, the Afghan government resurrected volunteer militias with a reputation of brutal violence to support the beleaguered Afghan forces but Rahman said many of the fighters in the Badakhshan districts put up only a half-hearted fight.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...vt-forces-flee


Well ... looks like the Taliban can take over as much or all of Afghanistan if it wants to. If they take over the entire country theyd probably be stretched to thin and I dont imagine any country would give the Taliban foreign aid.

Probably be best for them to let the govt have control over Kabul so they can just take any foreign aid given to the "afghan govt"

My american beer drinking view from across the pond ... afghan govt and people didnt do nearly enough to support our efforts to oust the Taliban and actually worked against us. If they thought wed stay there forever just taking on huge debt and lives .. they gambled and lost.

i feel bad for the women and children and i am 100% sure the USA will get blamed for what may come, but the blame lays solely at the feet of their men, their fathers, their husbands, uncles etc.

the world is a brutal place

💯💯💯💯💯

The Afghani governemnt, army, and men either are too weak to fight for their country or they are indifferent to their government or taliban ruling the country.

They will need a civil war if they want a country ran by a real government they vote for.

It is not America's job any longer to bleed money we don't have and bleed the lives of our military that have died WAY more than enough in that country.

We get blamed regardless. I prefer to get blamed while saving money and american lives.

This is true for most of the middle east and parts of Africa.

[Chico23231]

Biden withdrawal in Afghanistan is looking like an outright disaster.

It’s gonna be a helluva thing what the country will look like on the 20 year anniversary of 9/11

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Biden withdrawal in Afghanistan is looking like an outright disaster.

It’s gonna be a helluva thing what the country will look like on the 20 year anniversary of 9/11

Yet you supported it when trump said he would do it .

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Biden withdrawal in Afghanistan is looking like an outright disaster.

It’s gonna be a helluva thing what the country will look like on the 20 year anniversary of 9/11

Ironic how this is all Biden's fault, why didn't God Emporer Trump safely withdraw us while simultaneously beefing up the Afghan army?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

Ironic how this is all Biden's fault, why didn't God Emporer Trump safely withdraw us while simultaneously beefing up the Afghan army?

Ha…no. This is the Biden administration plan and executing strategy with his commanders. This is his direct leadership

This is another policy created humanitarian crisis just like at the southern border.

JFC…Biden’s direct policy decisions have caused both, period.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Ha…no. This is the Biden administration plan and executing strategy with his commanders. This is his direct leadership

This is another policy created humanitarian crisis just like at the southern border.

JFC…Biden’s direct policy decisions have caused both, period.

You never cease to amaze me. I just don’t know if you’re trolling or drunk or watching Faux news. Probably a combination of all three.
What color is the sky in your world Chico?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

You never cease to amaze me. I just don’t know if you’re trolling or drunk or watching Faux news. Probably a combination of all three.
What color is the sky in your world Chico?

Here is the border illegal crossing numbers from the most liberal news rag:

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/12/10272...ts-complicated

Just look at the numbers…historic, record. And guest what? Minors are being housed in cages. Period.

Those are the facts.
Here is another fact:

Biden has been wrong on almost every U.S. foreign policy and national security issue of the last 40 years (not my words, ask the ex U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates).

Afghanistan is a disaster right now…that’s a fact. We could be facing another Middle East genocide ala ISIS which happened on Obama watch. Obama was responsible for that.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Ha…no. This is the Biden administration plan and executing strategy with his commanders. This is his direct leadership

This is another policy created humanitarian crisis just like at the southern border.

JFC…Biden’s direct policy decisions have caused both, period.

I thought we were all in agreement that we wanted an end to endless wars.

Well this is how it happens.

For the record I agree, despite the previous admin's shortcomings and complete lack of respect for the job the translators did, Biden should've come up with a plan to safely evacuate all of them. But at the same time, I'm glad they're doing something about it now.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by mooby

I thought we were all in agreement that we wanted an end to endless wars.

Well this is how it happens.

For the record I agree, despite the previous admin's shortcomings and complete lack of respect for the job the translators did, Biden should've come up with a plan to safely evacuate all of them. But at the same time, I'm glad they're doing something about it now.

All in agreement? No we weren't. Under Obama, the decision was made to use Special Forces and a limited presence to deny the Taliban control of Afghanistan . This worked - we got to the point were costs and more importantly the casualties were low (to the point where fewer were dying or being injured than in normal training). Biden decided to go with the Trump plan.

America forgot what we went there in the first place for. (If you have one of those 9/11 never forget bumper stickers on your car tear it off). https://www.nbcnews.com/news/mideast...cials-n1276614