There goes the neighborhood - Tunisia Edition

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

I find it amusing when people suggest we should have been more humane to the Japanese while they were trying to conquer the world while slaughtering hundreds of thousands of people.

This is where you are confused. I'm not making any claims a far as right or wrong. What I'm saying is that we don't get to both blow up a couple hundred thousand civilians, justify it militarily, and then play the morality card when others do the exact same thing (on a much smaller scale).

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

This is where you are confused. I'm not making any claims a far as right or wrong. What I'm saying is that we don't get to both blow up a couple hundred thousand civilians, justify it militarily, and then play the morality card when others do the exact same thing (on a much smaller scale).

Yes we do.
And we do it with a proper calling card and uniformed soldiers.
Bin Laden and his buddies changed the rules when they chose to start a conflict anonymously. Any collateral damage is their fault AFAIC.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Yes we do.
And we do it with a proper calling card and uniformed soldiers.
Bin Laden and his buddies changed the rules when they chose to start a conflict anonymously. Any collateral damage is their fault AFAIC.

and once again, i'm sure the people you advocate accidently killing wouldn't possibly mis-direct their hate at the americans that are actually killing them instead of the terrorists that "made them do it".

that's the same excuse abusive husbands use.

this thread seems to be going in circles, but i personally don't think there's justification to kill thousands of innocent civillians just because they're located in the wrong part of the world, and i don't think that kind of work helps our standing or safety in any way. we should go after the bad guys, but not by shooting everything in sight.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

This is where you are confused. I'm not making any claims a far as right or wrong. What I'm saying is that we don't get to both blow up a couple hundred thousand civilians, justify it militarily, and then play the morality card when others do the exact same thing (on a much smaller scale).

I was unaware that the US had taken airliners loaded with civilian men, women, and children, and flown them into office buildings of a country that had not declared war on their country. (In fact, we were invited into Saudi Arabia by their government.)

"Exact same thing" indeed. You made a claim of right and wrong, and failed badly at it.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Also, way to go America for sticking your collective nose where it doesn't belong for decades. That policy is clearly working out for you. You should stick with that.

Agree totally. Our fail foreign policy is only creating more enemies across the world.

Originally Posted by hooskins

Religion can be great but there are many examples where it abused. This is one of them. Violence is never the answer.

Tell that to our founding fathers. Violence is sometimes the answer. Not in this case though.

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Cracks me up when people bring up the Crusades.
How long ago was that?

Well, the KKK hangs on tightly to it's religious beliefs and we know all too well what they are capable of. There is a lot of violence from christianity over the years as well.

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Yea, and so do a lot of other people.
Far more than that what the nukes killed.

You can't say that because you simply don't know. Not that I don't disagree with your point in regards to how we attacked them and why we attacked that particular place.

Originally Posted by That Guy

remember, iran was a democracy till the US/UK blew it up for english oil interests in the 1950s. the US put saddam, the taliban, and the shah into power. the allied powers sorta kicked the palestinians out of palestine in the 1940s, so all of this meddling in the ME/SWA has caused some long term problems for us there.

THIS is so key to it all. People talk about "knowing history", yet refuse to actually look at history. We are largely reponsible for the instability in the middle east right now and it's all about oil. It's always been about oil.

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Yes we do.
And we do it with a proper calling card and uniformed soldiers.
Bin Laden and his buddies changed the rules when they chose to start a conflict anonymously. Any collateral damage is their fault AFAIC.

No, we really can't. Well, not without being a huge hypocrite.