Redskins vs. Bengals Post Game Reaction

[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Again, we are always only 2 years away.

I think that is just a sign of how broken this franchise has been since 1992. Granted 1999 and the begining of the Snyder era is the true begning of this team hitting bottom. Shanahan clearly owns this current mess, not a big fan of his, and I think the nepotism of having his son as OC, is problematic. As a father there is no way that could objectively judge my own sons if they worked for me.

But beyond the nepotism Shanahan owns the following blunders: McNubb trade, I "stake my reputation" on Beck/Grossman and the failure to address the offensive line and secondary.

It is truly mind boggling how many ex-Redskins go to other teams and then perform at a higher level. Chris Clemons at Seatle being the latest example with his 4 sack game, granted he bounced from the Skins to Oakland, to Philly, to finally Seatle, but seems this is a consistent story line. In my mind it is a symptom of an overall organizational/culture problem within the franchise.

Been a fan of this team for a long time, and that loyalty is not going to change, I guess the biggest problem are the childhood memories of when this team was good, and now twenty years of suck. My biggest hope is that RG3 is able to turn this franchise around.

I am becoming very sceptical that Shanahan is the one to guide this team and RG3. I think they way they are using RG3 is very reckless and will cost the franchise long term, they need to let him, throw the damn football! The kid is a phenomenal talent and it is going to be a bitter pill of the Shananigan duo, messes him up trying to win a couple more games on a season in which it is obvious that this team is no where near being ready to contend for a division title or the playoffs. I almost cringe at thinking what is going to happen when the likes of Dallas, NY, and Philly defenses t-off on RG3 with the incredibly porous o-line. Rant off.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

It is truly mind boggling how many ex-Redskins go to other teams and then perform at a higher level. Chris Clemons at Seatle being the latest example with his 4 sack game, granted he bounced from the Skins to Oakland, to Philly, to finally Seatle.

Oh, come on! How can you be serious? He went to how many teams before he stabilized and had one good game?

The Skins are finally getting where they need to be and people are complaining about the the Shanahan's?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Oh, come on! How can you be serious? He went to how many teams before he stabilized and had one good game?

The Skins are finally getting where they need to be and people are complaining about the the Shanahan's?

Bottom of the league defense and no healthy starting O tackles isn't where I'd like to be. Not even close

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Bottom of the league defense and no healthy starting O tackles isn't where I'd like to be. Not even close

Agreed, but I don't place the blame for injuries on the Coaches and the Offense and D were never going to be fixed in under 5 years.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Agreed, but I don't place the blame for injuries on the Coaches and the Offense and D were never going to be fixed in under 5 years.

Sure transition to the ZBS takes time, and I'm in favor of giving Shanny his five years, but the OL being in shambles all three Shanny seasons is troubling.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Oh, come on! How can you be serious? He went to how many teams before he stabilized and had one good game?

The Skins are finally getting where they need to be and people are complaining about the the Shanahan's?

Scapegoats. Someone's gotta bear the brunt of the blame.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Scapegoats. Someone's gotta bear the brunt of the blame.

We should blame Firstdown.

[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Oh, come on! How can you be serious? He went to how many teams before he stabilized and had one good game?

The Skins are finally getting where they need to be and people are complaining about the the Shanahan's?

Gee let's see 6-10, 5-11, now off to a 1-2 start, with one of the worst defenses in the NFL and dependent entirely upon our extremely talented QB in order to have any offence at all. Which the geniuses running the show that is Kyle, and Mike, just spelling it out for you so don't miss the frigging point, clearly are intent on getting the kid killed with idiotic playing calling of let him take 20 -30 hits a game. Why do you think RBs only last till age 30 in this league?

Shanahan is a grade A prick, and a liar, afterall he is the one at the podium, and I quote, "I stake my reputation on it" that Rex Grossman and John Beck can play in this league, how exactly did that work out? Here we are year three, and same major issues, no depth on the o-line, and now a problematic secondary. Yet again our major free agents not exactly working out this season, not knocking Garcon, but he is needed in the worst possible way, if this foot injury ends up being a chronic thing, and as a fan I pray that it is not, are we going to have another Jamal Brown on our hands?

With respect to Clemons, and obviously nobody reads anything if it is long, I pointed out he bounced around the league. But there is a trend and no one can deny this that ex-Redskins go elsewhere and thrive, and just to make it clear for the recent era: Antonio Pierce, Ryan Clark, Champ Bailey, Carlos Rogers, Rheingold now at Buffalo and so on, I am sure there are plenty more examples.

So if anyone needs to stop smoking the funny stuff, it is you son.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

Gee let's see 6-10, 5-11, now off to a 1-2 start, with one of the worst defenses in the NFL

Dude, calm down.....

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

and dependent entirely upon our extremely talented QB in order to have any offence at all. Which the geniuses running the show that is Kyle, and Mike, just spelling it out for you so don't miss the frigging point, clearly are intent on getting the kid killed with idiotic playing calling of let him take 20 -30 hits a game. Why do you think RBs only last till age 30 in this league?

So they are to blame for the injuries from dirty hits too? Otay......

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

Shanahan is a grade A prick, and a liar, afterall he is the one at the podium, and I quote, "I stake my reputation on it" that Rex Grossman and John Beck can play in this league, how exactly did that work out?

A lot better than him going out and saying "We can't win with these guys"[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

Here we are year three, and same major issues, no depth on the o-line, and now a problematic secondary. Yet again our major free agents not exactly working out this season, not knocking Garcon, but he is needed in the worst possible way, if this foot injury ends up being a chronic thing, and as a fan I pray that it is not, are we going to have another Jamal Brown on our hands?

It is never going to be an immediate improvement.

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

With respect to Clemons, and obviously nobody reads anything if it is long, I pointed out he bounced around the league. But there is a trend and no one can deny this that ex-Redskins go elsewhere and thrive, and just to make it clear for the recent era: Antonio Pierce, Ryan Clark, Champ Bailey, Carlos Rogers, Rheingold now at Buffalo and so on, I am sure there are plenty more examples.

Pierce was with us for one season? When Rogers was here everyone bitched he couldn't catch, Bailey had to leave, etc....

I don't see a trend any more than with other teams. Some leave and do well, other don't.

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

So if anyone needs to stop smoking the funny stuff, it is you son.

Son?

[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Dude, calm down.....

Let's see 24 - 43, pretty woeful record for combined Zorn/Shanny record, it's hard not to get the here we go again feeling after the past 4+ years. Although, offensively and with RG3, this team is never really out of the game now. Have gotten acustomed to the Skins losing close games, seeing them put up points has been an unexpected surprise this season.

Harping about the hits, is only because no Redskins fan wants to see anything happen to RG3. Was listening to B-Mitch on the radio and he equated RG3 to high end Italian sports car, like a Ferrari or a Lamborghini, and that if you had a car like that you would not enter into a demolition derby, and basically that is what the Skins are doing with how they are running the offense. You, and others may disagree, but I agree with Brian Mitchell's sentiment.

In my opinon, for the little that it is worth I don't think this team is ready to contend yet. Unfortunately for all of us who support the Burgundy and Gold the $36M cap hit, has set the team back. I don't think it was coincidental that the Giant's owner ensured that both the Skins and Cowboys took a big hit. There is no doubt in my mind that the other owners colluded, but that does not change the situation. I think cap hit did not allow Allen/Shannahan to be as active as they would have liked in free agency, and some of what we are seeing on the field is an obvious consequence of the penalty.

Hopefully the coaching staff and team can rally and the team can even out its record this weekend. HTTR.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

Let's see 24 - 43, pretty woeful record for combined Zorn/Shanny record, it's hard not to get the here we go again feeling after the past 4+ years. Although, offensively and with RG3, this team is never really out of the game now. Have gotten acustomed to the Skins losing close games, seeing them put up points has been an unexpected surprise this season.

Harping about the hits, is only because no Redskins fan wants to see anything happen to RG3. Was listening to B-Mitch on the radio and he equated RG3 to high end Italian sports car, like a Ferrari or a Lamborghini, and that if you had a car like that you would not enter into a demolition derby, and basically that is what the Skins are doing with how they are running the offense. You, and others may disagree, but I agree with Brian Mitchell's sentiment.

In my opinon, for the little that it is worth I don't think this team is ready to contend yet. Unfortunately for all of us who support the Burgundy and Gold the $36M cap hit, has set the team back. I don't think it was coincidental that the Giant's owner ensured that both the Skins and Cowboys took a big hit. There is no doubt in my mind that the other owners colluded, but that does not change the situation. I think cap hit did not allow Allen/Shannahan to be as active as they would have liked in free agency, and some of what we are seeing on the field is an obvious consequence of the penalty.

Hopefully the coaching staff and team can rally and the team can even out its record this weekend. HTTR.

Yes, lets compare our Franchise QB to an automobile.. What a great analysis.

Offense is working fine, and we are not the only one running something like this in the NFL. This isn't new. As the season goes on, more plays will be added to the offense for our ROOKIE QB, and you will most likely see less option play

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

Let's see 24 - 43, pretty woeful record for combined Zorn/Shanny record, it's hard not to get the here we go again feeling after the past 4+ years. Although, offensively and with RG3, this team is never really out of the game now. Have gotten acustomed to the Skins losing close games, seeing them put up points has been an unexpected surprise this season.

Harping about the hits, is only because no Redskins fan wants to see anything happen to RG3. Was listening to B-Mitch on the radio and he equated RG3 to high end Italian sports car, like a Ferrari or a Lamborghini, and that if you had a car like that you would not enter into a demolition derby, and basically that is what the Skins are doing with how they are running the offense. You, and others may disagree, but I agree with Brian Mitchell's sentiment.

In my opinon, for the little that it is worth I don't think this team is ready to contend yet. Unfortunately for all of us who support the Burgundy and Gold the $36M cap hit, has set the team back. I don't think it was coincidental that the Giant's owner ensured that both the Skins and Cowboys took a big hit. There is no doubt in my mind that the other owners colluded, but that does not change the situation. I think cap hit did not allow Allen/Shannahan to be as active as they would have liked in free agency, and some of what we are seeing on the field is an obvious consequence of the penalty.

Hopefully the coaching staff and team can rally and the team can even out its record this weekend. HTTR.

I see what you're saying but football is more like a Demolition Derby than any other car sport that I can think of. The coaches will just need to adjust to the opposing defense looking to hurt RGIII- maybe take advantage of it since they can expect this now.

And I still don't understand the comparison to those luxury high performance cars. Those cars aren't used in professional competitions that I know of and are more for showing off a person's financial status.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

I think that is just a sign of how broken this franchise has been since 1992. Granted 1999 and the begining of the Snyder era is the true begning of this team hitting bottom. Shanahan clearly owns this current mess, not a big fan of his, and I think the nepotism of having his son as OC, is problematic. As a father there is no way that could objectively judge my own sons if they worked for me.

But beyond the nepotism Shanahan owns the following blunders: McNubb trade, I "stake my reputation" on Beck/Grossman and the failure to address the offensive line and secondary.

It is truly mind boggling how many ex-Redskins go to other teams and then perform at a higher level. Chris Clemons at Seatle being the latest example with his 4 sack game, granted he bounced from the Skins to Oakland, to Philly, to finally Seatle, but seems this is a consistent story line. In my mind it is a symptom of an overall organizational/culture problem within the franchise.

Been a fan of this team for a long time, and that loyalty is not going to change, I guess the biggest problem are the childhood memories of when this team was good, and now twenty years of suck. My biggest hope is that RG3 is able to turn this franchise around.

I am becoming very sceptical that Shanahan is the one to guide this team and RG3. I think they way they are using RG3 is very reckless and will cost the franchise long term, they need to let him, throw the damn football! The kid is a phenomenal talent and it is going to be a bitter pill of the Shananigan duo, messes him up trying to win a couple more games on a season in which it is obvious that this team is no where near being ready to contend for a division title or the playoffs. I almost cringe at thinking what is going to happen when the likes of Dallas, NY, and Philly defenses t-off on RG3 with the incredibly porous o-line. Rant off.

Clemons is a late bloomer.

Philly and Oakland also gave up on him so...

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Clemons is a late bloomer.

Philly and Oakland also gave up on him so...

i dunno, he had like 8 sacks when he went to philly. he's not bad at what he does... maybe he's too 1-dimensional? i haven't really watched him since he left (forever ago).