Skins/Giants post game thread

[Coff]

Here are my postgame thoughts:
The future always looks bleaker after a loss, but two decades of incompetence does justify pessimism. I’m worried that this team will never be good for RGIII. It’s not like the skill level on the team is going to improve anytime soon. The skins don’t have a first round draft pick until 2015, and with the salary cap penalty they have little room to improve through free agency. The overall skill on the team is likely to decrease over the next two seasons. No matter how good RGIII is, I question the patience of Redskins fans if—after three seasons—he still hasn’t captained a winning team. And it’s a slippery slope once fans start questioning the QB. But of course, that’s getting a little bit ahead of things. The main point I have is this: even with one of the best QBs in the league, it’s possible that a team can be subpar, and with the salary cap situation, the draft picks situation, and the fact that the FO hasn’t been entirely competent even in the best of situations, there is a possibility that the Redskins can—for years—be a team with the one of the best QBs in the league and not be a winning team .

[Sonny9TD]

Mike Ditka just ripped the Redskins defensive scheme. Basically calling out Haslett for letting that last play unfold as it did..

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Sonny9TD

Mike Ditka just ripped the Redskins defensive scheme. Basically calling out Haslett for letting that last play unfold as it did..

It's the truth. You don't let the opposing center snap the ball unless you've checked Williams is 25 yds off the LOS. When I went back on DVR it looks like Williams is about 12 yards off, and then yes he stepped forward, but that's sort of football instinct and wouldn't have mattered had he been in position.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

It's the truth. You don't let the opposing center snap the ball unless you've checked Williams is 25 yds off the LOS. When I went back on DVR it looks like Williams is about 12 yards off, and then yes he stepped forward, but that's sort of football instinct and wouldn't have mattered had he been in position.

The Redskins players and coaches must have thought that the Giants were going to dink and dunk their way to the endzone and (erroneously) played the short pass. I feel that the fault lies on both players and coaches. As SS said, as a veteran, Williams should have known not to expose himself by being too close to the LOS knowing that he doesn't have the speed to compensate. And someone in the coaching staff should have notice this and made adjustments.

[CRedskinsRule]

What if:

What if Moss had stopped at the 1 yard line. And we could have run more time off the clock?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

What if:

What if Moss had stopped at the 1 yard line. And we could have run more time off the clock?

As Moss crossed the goal line I shouted, "No! We scored too fast!"

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

As Moss crossed the goal line I shouted, "No! We scored too fast!"

I said the same thing.

[skinsfan69]

All the Shanahan bashing is ridiculous. He's made his mistakes but I think he's got this team on the right track. Blowing it up after this year would be the worst thing we could do. But I would like to see him get a new D-coordinator.

[SmootSmack]

Well, here are my quick thoughts (editor's note: I'll bring "Smoot Lays the Smack Down" when Meriweather, Garcon or Brown return)

RG3: The scramble and thrown on 4th and 10 was incredible. Clearly showed his athletic ability. But more importantly, that's the type of play that more often than not a rookie QB loses sense of where he is and crosses the line of scrimmage before throwing the ball. Good presence of mind on his part. But he can't be absolved for the TOs. The fumble looked like poor awareness on his part. The INT to Paulsen looked like a miscommunication between the two of them. Probably doesn't happen with Davis in there.

Kyle Shanahan: Think he's insanely talented and he'd be missed. But his problem, which I've said before, is that he thinks too hard sometimes. Run on 3rd down? No problem with that. The Redskins had been showing an inability to hold onto the ball and you want to stay in FG range so if you can get 3 and hold them to 3 you're still just down 7. Run an option? Ok, that's a bit of a stretch (no pun intended) but we have the talent to pull it off. Run an option with Niles Paul at that point in the game? That's thinking too hard. That's "they don't expect this so I'll fool them with this" Sometimes you gotta just go with the most obvious play and personnel and execute. Sometimes you gotta just rely on the brawns and not the brains.

Turnovers: The turnovers were terrible but I have a hard time getting worked up over them, because twice we got the ball right back on our turnovers. Heck of an athletic play by Rob Jackson on his INT by the way.

Secondary: I can't really blame the scheme in this scenario. Williams simply made a poor play.

[Kindoy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, here are my quick thoughts (editor's note: I'll bring "Smoot Lays the Smack Down" when Meriweather, Garcon or Brown return)

RG3: The scramble and thrown on 4th and 10 was incredible. Clearly showed his athletic ability. But more importantly, that's the type of play that more often than not a rookie QB loses sense of where he is and crosses the line of scrimmage before throwing the ball. Good presence of mind on his part. But he can't be absolved for the TOs. The fumble looked like poor awareness on his part. The INT to Paulsen looked like a miscommunication between the two of them. Probably doesn't happen with Davis in there.

Kyle Shanahan: Think he's insanely talented and he'd be missed. But his problem, which I've said before, is that he thinks too hard sometimes. Run on 3rd down? No problem with that. The Redskins had been showing an inability to hold onto the ball and you want to stay in FG range so if you can get 3 and hold them to 3 you're still just down 7. Run an option? Ok, that's a bit of a stretch (no pun intended) but we have the talent to pull it off. Run an option with Niles Paul at that point in the game? That's thinking too hard. That's "they don't expect this so I'll fool them with this" Sometimes you gotta just go with the most obvious play and personnel and execute. Sometimes you gotta just rely on the brawns and not the brains.

Turnovers: The turnovers were terrible but I have a hard time getting worked up over them, because twice we got the ball right back on our turnovers. Heck of an athletic play by Rob Jackson on his INT by the way.

Secondary: I can't really blame the scheme in this scenario. Williams simply made a poor play.

That his second big interception this year. And he followed that pick up with a monster sack that we didn't take advantage of... the guy is playing like a stud.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Kindoy

That his second big interception this year. And he followed that pick up with a monster sack that we didn't take advantage of... the guy is playing like a stud.

Coach Haz obviously saw something. Somehow he knew that Manning was going to throw an pass near the numbers. Jackson simply dropped back in coverage and read Manning's eyes. He made a nice interception.

[Deivybaby]

Originally Posted by Kindoy

That his second big interception this year. And he followed that pick up with a monster sack that we didn't take advantage of... the guy is playing like a stud.

Wouldnt say studddddd but hes not a bad back up he has 2 ints and thats enough for me from a back up.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

This is essentially the same secondary we had last year, so why were they so much better last year?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

This is essentially the same secondary we had last year, so why were they so much better last year?

Carriker and Orakpo were healthy. And we had my main man Westbrook

Also, I should add that letting the Giants go 8-12 on 3rd down was absurd.

You gotta score TDs though. Last week a big reason we won was that the Vikings settled for FGs. This past weekend we did

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Carriker and Orakpo were healthy. And we had my main man Westbrook

Also, I should add that letting the Giants go 8-12 on 3rd down was absurd.

You gotta score TDs though. Last week a big reason we won was that the Vikings settled for FGs. This past weekend we did

They were just as bad when Carriker and Orakpo were playing this year, although thats an admittedly smaller sample size. Could it be related to raheems scheme/coaching?