Raheem Morris

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well we got two INTs in today's game and all of the offense could do is muster 3 points off those turnovers. Let's not forget that after one of those INTs, RG3 went to throw a horrendous pick after we have gotten the ball.

RG3 and the offense more than redeemed themselves for their mistakes when they scored the go-ahead touchdown on a 77 yard drive that took up a minute and a half and left less than 2 minutes on the clock. The defense played pretty well all game and the offense didn't capitalize on their opportunities, granted, but the game was lost on one play and RG3 and the offense weren't on the field when it happened. There is absolutely nothing you can say in defense of the Redskins defense today.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

RG3 and the offense more than redeemed themselves for their mistakes when they scored the go-ahead touchdown on a 77 yard drive that took up a minute and a half and left less than 2 minutes on the clock. The defense played pretty well all game and the offense didn't capitalize on their opportunities, granted, but the game was lost on one play and RG3 and the offense weren't on the field when it happened. There is absolutely nothing you can say in defense of the Redskins defense today.

RG3 and the offense had to come up with heroics at the end because of their earlier miscues. I am not trying to say the our defense is good, I am saying that our offense is not good enough to overcome their mistakes for 3 quarters of the game and one big mistake by the defense at the end of the game. New England may be able to do that, or Green Bay or even last year's Saints, but not our offense.

Since the big f*ck up happened to the most criticized unit of the defense, people are forgetting the many errors that the offense made earlier in the game.

In the end, you cannot win the game by turning the ball over 3 times, not converting points off turnovers, and going 0-2 in the redzone against a team that is really good at coming back and has outscored its opponents in the 4th quarter all season.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

RG3 and the offense had to come up with heroics at the end because of their earlier miscues. I am not trying to say the our defense is good, I am saying that our offense is not good enough to overcome their mistakes for 3 quarters of the game and one big mistake by the defense at the end of the game. New England may be able to do that, or Green Bay or even last year's Saints, but not our offense.

Since the big f*ck up happened to the most criticized unit of the defense, people are forgetting the many errors that the offense made earlier in the game.

In the end, you cannot win the game by turning the ball over 3 times, not converting points off turnovers, and going 0-2 in the redzone against a team that is really good at coming back and has outscored its opponents in the 4th quarter all season.

I had forgotten all about the first series, where the drive stalled at the 2 yard line. Boy, that kinda hurts.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I had forgotten all about the first series, where the drive stalled at the 2 yard line. Boy, that kinda hurts.

And the 3rd and 5 on the 17 yd line that ended in a -8 yd sack.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

RG3 and the offense had to come up with heroics at the end because of their earlier miscues. I am not trying to say the our defense is good, I am saying that our offense is not good enough to overcome their mistakes for 3 quarters of the game and one big mistake by the defense at the end of the game. New England may be able to do that, or Green Bay or even last year's Saints, but not our offense.

Since the big f*ck up happened to the most criticized unit of the defense, people are forgetting the many errors that the offense made earlier in the game.

In the end, you cannot win the game by turning the ball over 3 times, not converting points off turnovers, and going 0-2 in the redzone against a team that is really good at coming back and has outscored its opponents in the 4th quarter all season.

That's where you are mistaken -- despite all their mistakes, with 1:30 left in the game THEY WERE WINNING!! so your basic premise is wrong.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

That's where you are mistaken -- despite all their mistakes, with 1:30 left in the game THEY WERE WINNING!! so your basic premise is wrong.

You don't beat teams like the Giants with small leads and our defense is not good enough to protect small leads. You can continue to be simple-minded and keep harping on just the defense and one big blown coverage. But if our offense doesn't commit these big errors earlier in the game, this game is not even close at the end.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

You don't beat teams like the Giants with small leads and our defense is not good enough to protect small leads. You can continue to be simple-minded and keep harping on just the defense and one big blown coverage. But if our offense doesn't commit these big errors earlier in the game, this game is not even close at the end.

So we've resorted to name calling -- the offense played a very average game, mixing long drives with missed opportunities (0-2 in the RZ like you mentioned) and way too many turnovers. The defense played a pretty good game overall forcing Eli into two interceptions. But with about 3 minutes left in the game, the redskins offense marched down the field on a Giants defense that is pretty much the same one that won the SB and suffocated the 49ers (arguably the best team in the NFC). That one drive, in my opinion, made up for their earlier miscues. You mentioned that the had a small lead, true -- but there was also a minute and a half left in the game and the Giants had to go 77 yards. The redskins defense was unable to stop them when it counted and that is what cost the game. You can call me simple-minded if you wish but it doesn't change the fact that the Redskins offense did a bad job not putting the game away, but the Redskins defense actively lost the game.

[redskins4lif]

I think they should do something kinda what they did with the 3rd year under Gregg Williams the year when sean taylor died. I would just put a saftey in the middle of the field basically a center fielder and tell him make sure no one gets behind you just be the deepest person on the field

[Bubba305-ST21-]

ok horrible idea, we have no safety on the roster with that athleticism and range to do that

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

So we've resorted to name calling -- the offense played a very average game, mixing long drives with missed opportunities (0-2 in the RZ like you mentioned) and way too many turnovers. The defense played a pretty good game overall forcing Eli into two interceptions. But with about 3 minutes left in the game, the redskins offense marched down the field on a Giants defense that is pretty much the same one that won the SB and suffocated the 49ers (arguably the best team in the NFC). That one drive, in my opinion, made up for their earlier miscues. You mentioned that the had a small lead, true -- but there was also a minute and a half left in the game and the Giants had to go 77 yards. The redskins defense was unable to stop them when it counted and that is what cost the game. You can call me simple-minded if you wish but it doesn't change the fact that the Redskins offense did a bad job not putting the game away, but the Redskins defense actively lost the game.

And the Redskins offense fumbled the ball away at the end, but to me that's irrelevant.

Let's break this down from the beginning.

The Redskins Offense was inside the 2 yd line of the Giants, and could only muster three points in the opening drive. We could have been 7-0 if we score a TD.

In the second quarter, the offense was inside the red zone again and could only come up with 3 points. We could have been up 21-7.

In the third quarter, we scored no points (neither did the Giants). This quarter featured a fumble on the Giants 41 yd line and RG3 being picked off at the Giants 42 yd line. We score at least 3 pts in each of those times, we are up 27-13; if we don't we are still up 21-13

In the 4th quarter, RG3 fumbles at the Giants 27, a place where at worst we could have come up with 3 points. If we don't fumble and score at least 3 pts, we are up 24-20 (and that's counting a TD that the Giants scored off the RG3 pick in the 3rd quarter).

After the Eli pick, the Redskins are only able to put up 3 points, which makes the game 27-20, a TD at this point helps the Redskins putting some distance between themselves and the Giants at 31-20.

The last five minutes of the game are much much different if the offense doesn't have a lot of those mistakes. I am not trying to excuse the defense or the horrible blown coverage at the end of the game. But given the lack of talent on this team, we can't beat teams like the Giants with errors on both sides of the ball. Yet people act like the offense had a flawless game and it was ONLY because of the defense that they lost the game.