Skins/Giants post game thread

[Deivybaby]

Originally Posted by jdc65

The Skins won that game last week with Griffin's ability, much more so than anything the coaching staff did, and the defense did try their best to give it away in the 4th. The Giants have a recent history under Coughlin of winning games where they play subpar, and find a way to win in the end. Shanahan is 14-25 here with bad loss after bad loss. I see no improvement in 3 years other than quarterback where Robert Griffin is a very special player.

I fully credit Mike Shanahan for trading for and drafting Griffin and Kerrigan. But he's taken a decent defense, and decimated it, decent special teams and turned it into a weekly white knuckled roller coaster ride. The offense relies on Griffin's deception and his ability to consistantly make something out of nothing.

I like Shanahan, he genuinely seems like a good guy, and easy to root for. But we have to be honest, he's living off his past glory. If his name wasn't Mike Shanahan, this would be a very different conversation. His time here has been an unmitigated disaster, and there is zero reason to realistically expect future success based on recent past performance. No reasonable fan expected a Super Bowl in 3 years, but my God man, how about some improvement and a better winning percentage than Jim Zorn and Steve Spurrier?

Anyone expecting the Mike Shanahan of the late 90's and early 2000's is unrealistically optimistic. There was a multitude of reasons he was let go in Denver, and he has done nothing here to impugn that termination. He's wearing too many hats, overbearing in decision making, and is letting personal feelings or relationships influence team construction.

Our O been good but its true People bring up 98-99 shanny era when this is a new whole era of football . Hes done good and bad here so its balance in my view .

People just dont wanna hear the truth thankfully RG3 doing good as for the defense not even jesus can help it.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by Deivybaby

Our O been good but its true People bring up 98-99 shanny era when this is a new whole era of football . Hes done good and bad here so its balance in my view .

People just dont wanna hear the truth thankfully RG3 doing good as for the defense not even jesus can help it.

Shanahan has a tremendous pedigree -- two superbowls, countless AFC championship appearances etc. None of that matters. His record with the Redskins: 14-25, two 4th place finishes. I don't want to go back to the days of firing head coaches every 8 games and turning an NFL franchise around in 2 seasons is exceedingly difficult but Shanahan has been worse: he whiffed on McNabb and went into last season with Rex Grossman/John Beck as the starter.

Let's talk about this season -- the defense has been an unmitigated disaster. Yeah, they have a lot of picks and 3 defensive TDs but if they were even average, the team would be 5-2 if not better. It's year 3!!! At this point, the team should have been a quarterback away -- RG3 should have been the final piece of the puzzle. Shanahan/Allen deserve kudos for bringing him and Alfred Morris into the fold. H/e, he has put together a defense that made Sam Bradford and Danny Amendola look like Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison. That is just inexcusable and he has to make some adjustments fast.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Shanahan has a tremendous pedigree -- two superbowls, countless AFC championship appearances etc. None of that matters. His record with the Redskins: 14-25, two 4th place finishes. I don't want to go back to the days of firing head coaches every 8 games and turning an NFL franchise around in 2 seasons is exceedingly difficult but Shanahan has been worse: he whiffed on McNabb and went into last season with Rex Grossman/John Beck as the starter.

Let's talk about this season -- the defense has been an unmitigated disaster. Yeah, they have a lot of picks and 3 defensive TDs but if they were even average, the team would be 5-2 if not better. It's year 3!!! At this point, the team should have been a quarterback away -- RG3 should have been the final piece of the puzzle. Shanahan/Allen deserve kudos for bringing him and Alfred Morris into the fold. H/e, he has put together a defense that made Sam Bradford and Danny Amendola look like Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison. That is just inexcusable and he has to make some adjustments fast.

Well to be fair..The defense has been missing 4-5 starters all year long.

Merriweather
Jackson
Carriker
Orackpo
Cedric Griffin (Just got back today, and actually played really good)

Hard to tell how good this defense can be with all the pieces, or even half of those missing ones...

We do need a FS, and I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't address it in FA.

[jdc65]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Well to be fair..The defense has been missing 4-5 starters all year long.

Merriweather
Jackson
Carriker
Orackpo
Cedric Griffin (Just got back today, and actually played really good)

Hard to tell how good this defense can be with all the pieces, or even half of those missing ones...

We do need a FS, and I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't address it in FA.

I think we can give Haz a break for Orakpo and Carriker being out as they were legitimate starters and producers. But Merriweather, Jackson, and even C.Griffin were either backups or disappointments prior to signing here. They likely would have been better than what the team currently has, but probably not a lot.

Coaching is also about making adjustments depending on personnel or game situations. Realizing a player's strengthes and weaknesses, and then utilizing those positive assets while minimizing the negative ones. I think it is fair to say that Haslett has maximized the weaknesses in the secondary for other teams to freely exploit.

DaShon Goldson isn't leaving San Fran in my opinion, but Jarius Byrd will leave Buffalo for a reasonable price. He should be a high priority this off season. Several good cornerbacks will also be available.

In my opinion, the team should draft offense, and sign free agents for defense. Free agents usually give a faster rate of return, while draftees can be groomed along with RGlll for longer term planning and cohesion.

[Kindoy]

Originally Posted by jdc65

I think we can give Haz a break for Orakpo and Carriker being out as they were legitimate starters and producers. But Merriweather, Jackson, and even C.Griffin were either backups or disappointments prior to signing here. They likely would have been better than what the team currently has, but probably not a lot.

Coaching is also about making adjustments depending on personnel or game situations. Realizing a player's strengthes and weaknesses, and then utilizing those positive assets while minimizing the negative ones. I think it is fair to say that Haslett has maximized the weaknesses in the secondary for other teams to freely exploit.

DaShon Goldson isn't leaving San Fran in my opinion, but Jarius Byrd will leave Buffalo for a reasonable price. He should be a high priority this off season. Several good cornerbacks will also be available.

In my opinion, the team should draft offense, and sign free agents for defense. Free agents usually give a faster rate of return, while draftees can be groomed along with RGlll for longer term planning and cohesion.

While I understand Merriweather and Jackson are no Ed Reeds, i'd consider them head and shoulders above what we have going now. Meriweather was in the pro bowl only a couple of years ago and Tanard Jackson has never been a slouch on the field - just a basket case off it. Call me crazy but i think our defense would look a whole lot better with those two in the mix.