Raheem Morris

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Bucket

I have come to the conclusion that you are the worse poster here.

The setup before the snap was a organized double team to anticipate the option route. The Giants ran the option route, and the play call for the defense was perfect. If you watch the play.. Williams was stoned and his feet flat. So Cruz ran right by him..

You play prevent there. Safetey all the way back. Thats it. If we played them tomorrow and it wound up the same way - that is exactly what we do.


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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

You play prevent there. Safetey all the way back. Thats it. If we played them tomorrow and it wound up the same way - that is exactly what we do.


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I keep seeing Prevent, but fact is a FG ties it so you can't go full prevent.

One article I saw said that the Cowboys played it the way it should be done against the Panthers, but they panthers NEEDED a TD a FG was useless to them. In our game the FG wasn't useless, so we had to protect more of the field, and in the end we got burned, as we have many times in the past, whether under GB or Haslett or any for the last 10 years

[mooby]

Originally Posted by punch it in

You play prevent there. Safetey all the way back. Thats it. If we played them tomorrow and it wound up the same way - that is exactly what we do.


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If you play prevent you might as well allow them to waltz down the field into field goal range. The call was correct, the talent was inadequate. Haslett called for double teams on Cruz and Nicks, and unfortunately the safety assigned to the double team on Cruz just so happened to be Madieu Williams, who is too old to cover a guy like Cruz. Williams was about 12 yards behind the line, and they did a great job putting two guys on his side of the field, which made him hesitate long enough before he was extremely late getting back to cover Cruz. Eli threw a perfect ball and that's all it takes. Sometimes it's not what the coach calls, it's about the talent on the field.

[imaskin4life]

Originally Posted by mooby

If you play prevent you might as well allow them to waltz down the field into field goal range. The call was correct, the talent was inadequate. Haslett called for double teams on Cruz and Nicks, and unfortunately the safety assigned to the double team on Cruz just so happened to be Madieu Williams, who is too old to cover a guy like Cruz. Williams was about 12 yards behind the line, and they did a great job putting two guys on his side of the field, which made him hesitate long enough before he was extremely late getting back to cover Cruz. Eli threw a perfect ball and that's all it takes. Sometimes it's not what the coach calls, it's about the talent on the field.

I would have rather had both safeties deep in zone coverage. I have a problem with ANY safety on our team being in man coverage with Cruz or their other WRs- even if its a double team. No safety runs with Cruz on the fly pattern. Keep the safeties BACK - they are too slow to be in man coverage.

At some point with all of these big plays on our secondary it would be nice if Haslett began to value the safety position helping with deep coverage. I am pretty sure we are one of the worst in the league in covering the deep pass.

Oh, and madieu williams sucks.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mooby

If you play prevent you might as well allow them to waltz down the field into field goal range. The call was correct, the talent was inadequate. Haslett called for double teams on Cruz and Nicks, and unfortunately the safety assigned to the double team on Cruz just so happened to be Madieu Williams, who is too old to cover a guy like Cruz. Williams was about 12 yards behind the line, and they did a great job putting two guys on his side of the field, which made him hesitate long enough before he was extremely late getting back to cover Cruz. Eli threw a perfect ball and that's all it takes. Sometimes it's not what the coach calls, it's about the talent on the field.

Well its not an automatic field goal first of all, and second of all we are acting like we didnt know Williams was old and slow until this play occured. Again - in this particular situation - Eli Manning and the Giants on a potential game winning drive, I think you have to swallow your pride a little bit and accept the fact that no matter what you call with our personnel that they are going to eat you up with 1:30 left. So - again - play it safe. Keep them out of the endzone at all costs, and take your chances on them getting into fieldgoal range - worse case scenario is OT. I understand what we did, I just dont agree with it. I am not usually conservative in thought when I watch the games - trust me. I was loving those 4th down calls - loving them. This last drive by the Giants I wanted conservative and didnt get it. They got burned. My wife for the first time in my life was watching and cheering for the Redskins and yelling GO GO GO when Moss caught that ball. I could not believe it. I stand by my original statement that if we could play that last sequence over agian there is no way Williams is not 25 yards off the line of scrimmage, and we are not going conservative. oh well. I still think we win the division so who cares.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Well its not an automatic field goal first of all, and second of all we are acting like we didnt know Williams was old and slow until this play occured. Again - in this particular situation - Eli Manning and the Giants on a potential game winning drive, I think you have to swallow your pride a little bit and accept the fact that no matter what you call with our personnel that they are going to eat you up with 1:30 left. So - again - play it safe. Keep them out of the endzone at all costs, and take your chances on them getting into fieldgoal range - worse case scenario is OT. I understand what we did, I just dont agree with it. I am not usually conservative in thought when I watch the games - trust me. I was loving those 4th down calls - loving them. This last drive by the Giants I wanted conservative and didnt get it. They got burned. My wife for the first time in my life was watching and cheering for the Redskins and yelling GO GO GO when Moss caught that ball. I could not believe it. I stand by my original statement that if we could play that last sequence over agian there is no way Williams is not 25 yards off the line of scrimmage, and we are not going conservative. oh well. I still think we win the division so who cares.

so they should play defense expecting to get beaten?? thats some odd logic. at the end of the day it always comes down to raw ability and talent. right now we dont have that at our safties positions.

the biggest mistake i see our secondary making is not bumping anyone on the line. if you are playing cover 2 with a safety deep, then the db should be on the line jamming the crap out of the wr to throw off the timing of the route. and that in my opinion is a coaching issue, and still don't understand why it hasn't been more talked about.