2013 Free Agents

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

....what are your red flags on a player...?

I'm not going to knock him for what his father did and I'm not going to knock him for having a kid on the way. Why?

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm not going to knock him for what his father did and I'm not going to knock him for having a kid on the way. Why?

Child along the way, I think of guys like Antonio Cromartie and Travis Henry. It shows to me that he isn't smart. Now maybe he wanted a kid. But how the article put it, it made it sound like he was told recently that he is actually having a kid, like Surprise! Having a kid isn't a red flag; having a kid at an early age can be considered a red flag by some, especially when Tyrann has drug problems, how is he supposed to raise a child when he has his own issues, it shows immaturity to me. (Also having a child at a young age can show to me that he could be like one of those guys above who have over +7 kids by 7+ different women. Not saying he Will be like them, but you wonder what could happen down the road--head isn't in the game, trying to play for a big contract then becoming unmotivated when they get it, etc.) the child along the way, like I said isn't a major red flag, but its something that will gets scouts attentions and can be one of the many other flags that causes coaches to ultimately pass up on the kid. And as I mentioned above with how is he supposed to support a child if he has his own problems, that is a great transition to 'red flag' number 2....

His dad being in prison is bad, IMO, because after reading that SI article, I feel as though I was almost reading about a full family cycle. Father is a great Football player, father does drugs, father has a kid at an early age, father goes to prison for drugs, father gets out and kills a man, father goes back to prison. Son is born without his father figure, son becomes good at football, son does drugs, son has a kid along the way...the rest is TBD. Ask yourself this, would you rather draft the CB who has both parents or the CB who has a mother, but a father is in jail? The root of all this is that Tyrann didn't grow up with a father figure until later in his life, and that father figure made some dumb decisions, and those decisions are in part in Tyrann, Tyranns had guidance, but he's had the drug problem which is a huge red flag, just like his dad, whats to say Tyrann doesn't follow in his dads footsteps and wind up in prison down the road. Its just riskier to take someone whos missing an adult in their life do to being in prison, than someone whos lost someone because of a death. Also people will handle a parent being in prison and jail differently. I'm not a statistician on this kind of topic, but I've heard in the past about how if a parent goes to jail that childs life being altered, raises the chances of that child greater than other children.

Also these may seem like minuscule red flags, but a couple of red flags that cam out on Cam Newton "cocky, isn't a team leader, shows immaturity at times" didn't seem like 'red flags' at the time, but damn right now they are showing in full force

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Child along the way, I think of guys like Antonio Cromartie and Travis Henry. It shows to me that he isn't smart. Now maybe he wanted a kid. But how the article put it, it made it sound like he was told recently that he is actually having a kid, like Surprise! Having a kid isn't a red flag; having a kid at an early age can be considered a red flag by some, especially when Tyrann has drug problems, how is he supposed to raise a child when he has his own issues, it shows immaturity to me. (Also having a child at a young age can show to me that he could be like one of those guys above who have over +7 kids by 7+ different women. Not saying he Will be like them, but you wonder what could happen down the road--head isn't in the game, trying to play for a big contract then becoming unmotivated when they get it, etc.) the child along the way, like I said isn't a major red flag, but its something that will gets scouts attentions and can be one of the many other flags that causes coaches to ultimately pass up on the kid. And as I mentioned above with how is he supposed to support a child if he has his own problems, that is a great transition to 'red flag' number 2....

His dad being in prison is bad, IMO, because after reading that SI article, I feel as though I was almost reading about a full family cycle. Father is a great Football player, father does drugs, father has a kid at an early age, father goes to prison for drugs, father gets out and kills a man, father goes back to prison. Son is born without his father figure, son becomes good at football, son does drugs, son has a kid along the way...the rest is TBD. Ask yourself this, would you rather draft the CB who has both parents or the CB who has a mother, but a father is in jail? The root of all this is that Tyrann didn't grow up with a father figure until later in his life, and that father figure made some dumb decisions, and those decisions are in part in Tyrann, Tyranns had guidance, but he's had the drug problem which is a huge red flag, just like his dad, whats to say Tyrann doesn't follow in his dads footsteps and wind up in prison down the road. Its just riskier to take someone whos missing an adult in their life do to being in prison, than someone whos lost someone because of a death. Also people will handle a parent being in prison and jail differently. I'm not a statistician on this kind of topic, but I've heard in the past about how if a parent goes to jail that childs life being altered, raises the chances of that child greater than other children.

Also these may seem like minuscule red flags, but a couple of red flags that cam out on Cam Newton "cocky, isn't a team leader, shows immaturity at times" didn't seem like 'red flags' at the time, but damn right now they are showing in full force

I never thought I'd get to say this twice in one week, but....mind....blown

Do you think John Wall is destined for failure too?

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I never thought I'd get to say this twice in one week, but....mind....blown

Do you think John Wall is destined for failure too?

I don't care about NBA players to be honest with you

[rypper11]

"Child along the way, I think of guys like Antonio Cromartie and Travis Henry. It shows to me that he isn't smart. Now maybe he wanted a kid. But how the article put it, it made it sound like he was told recently that he is actually having a kid, like Surprise! Having a kid isn't a red flag; having a kid at an early age can be considered a red flag by some"

Absolutely right CultBrennan59. Birth control is 100% and nobody has sex in college except for idiots and those who want a child. Anybody under 30 with an unplanned child should raise a red flag to any employer.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by rypper11

"Child along the way, I think of guys like Antonio Cromartie and Travis Henry. It shows to me that he isn't smart. Now maybe he wanted a kid. But how the article put it, it made it sound like he was told recently that he is actually having a kid, like Surprise! Having a kid isn't a red flag; having a kid at an early age can be considered a red flag by some"

Absolutely right CultBrennan59. Birth control is 100% and nobody has sex in college except for idiots and those who want a child. Anybody under 30 with an unplanned child should raise a red flag to any employer.

You took out this excerpt of my post but left out the full explanation of "Tyrann was surprised to hear he's having a child" No where did I say having a child is a red flag; Having a child when you don't have a stable lifestyle (doing drugs, no control of your own life) is the issue I was raising.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

You took out this excerpt of my post but left out the full explanation of "Tyrann was surprised to hear he's having a child" No where did I say having a child is a red flag; Having a child when you don't have a stable lifestyle (doing drugs, no control of your own life) is the issue I was raising.

You should go back and read your first post in this argument

But I agree let's stick to FA talk here